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BART holdup victim grabs knife, kills robber
S.F. Gate ^ | 2/20/09 | Henry K. Lee

Posted on 02/22/2009 10:25:24 AM PST by Nachum

OAKLAND -- A 23-year-old visitor from the East Coast had just gotten money from an ATM when he told his friend on a cell phone that he had a bad feeling about two men approaching him at the Fruitvale BART Station in Oakland.

His worst fears were realized when one suspect, Victor Veliz, 18, held a folding knife with a 5-inch blade to his neck and the other, Christopher Gonzalez, 18, threatened to shoot him Thursday night, authorities said.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: bart; holdup; knife; victim
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To: llevrok

Live by the knife, die by the knife.


21 posted on 02/22/2009 11:31:36 AM PST by TYVets
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To: Nachum

Oh, diversity!

Diane Feinstein and Zer0 tell me there is no difference in cultures, just a need for more tolerance and cash to fund years of discrimination.

How is the Mexican space program coming?

These are what we import, are you surprised?

Thanks Mr. Kennedy.


22 posted on 02/22/2009 11:49:28 AM PST by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: Malsua

Solis to the rescue!


23 posted on 02/22/2009 11:50:31 AM PST by wac3rd (In the end, we all are Conservative, some just need their lives jolted to realize that fact.)
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To: Nachum
[Perp's father] added, "My son is dead. I want somebody to pay for this."

OK, pops, how about you in a civil suit filed by your son's intended victim? Sounds like you have assets. Works for me.

24 posted on 02/22/2009 11:56:04 AM PST by NonValueAdded (May God save America from its government; this is no time for Obamateurs)
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To: Nachum
Hey Chico, you b*tch - want some of this?

Oh, sorry, you aren't talking, are you?

25 posted on 02/22/2009 11:59:34 AM PST by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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To: Nachum
"... triple shooting outside the BART station ... a mistaken belief that the victims were gang members. Two of the four men ... in a ... car ... sprayed with bullets were wearing red baseball caps, and the color red is associated with a Latino gang, said Daly City police Lt. Jay Morena. But the victims were not gang members ..."

OK, new stimulus proposal: funding for signs posted outside these neighborhoods warning the general public that they are 'now leaving the American sector' and that travel is at your own risk?

26 posted on 02/22/2009 12:00:52 PM PST by NonValueAdded (May God save America from its government; this is no time for Obamateurs)
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To: Bedford Forrest

Semper Fi, eventhough I was a Leg in Army.


27 posted on 02/22/2009 12:04:12 PM PST by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Nachum

Would somebody please look into this father’s citizenship status. It would be fitting to find out if this poor excuse for a parent is here illegally and ship him out.


28 posted on 02/22/2009 12:07:29 PM PST by doc
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To: Nachum

Hats off to the victim...what a stud! One dead perp and another cretin off the streets. Bravo!


29 posted on 02/22/2009 12:11:29 PM PST by tflabo
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To: Nachum

“He was a hard-working kid.”

Instead of the 40 hours required by the gang that he belonged to he put in 60 hours a week.


30 posted on 02/22/2009 12:11:57 PM PST by doc
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To: ml/nj

This is unreal:
Javier Gonzalez sobbed at the loss of his son, who worked with him in his roofing business and at Oakland Raiders games.
“I’m angry at both of them,” he said of the robbery victim and Veliz. “They took my son away from me. He was a hard-working kid.”

He added, “My son is dead. I want somebody to pay for this.”

This guy is lucky he apparently cannot be charged with a crime. He’s the one who should pay.
ML/NJ”

The Oakland thugs are apparently in an all-out war with BART and the people who are trying to run it on a daily basis.

The thugs make life miserable for riders of mass transit- as the riders are trapped inside the train, and cannot get much help.

The punks giving the officers a hard time a couple of months ago have managed to get one Bart officer terminated, and another on leave, over the shooting of one of the punks. Drunk- possible on drugs- combative- pieces of crap... They are demanding that the head of BART security/police be fired or quit.

I would not ride any mass transit anywhere near Oakland, much less in the Bay Area.

The criminals in San Fran are not just the politicions.


31 posted on 02/22/2009 12:27:18 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Nachum

Monday the story will be, Martial Arts Expert takes knife from youngster kills fathers only son.


32 posted on 02/22/2009 12:28:25 PM PST by xero
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To: ridesthemiles

Don’t get me started! The punk shot by a cop has had a lot of sympathizers here!


33 posted on 02/22/2009 12:30:38 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: ml/nj

Yep.


34 posted on 02/22/2009 12:31:52 PM PST by bvw
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To: Nachum

“He added, “My son is dead. I want somebody to pay for this.””

I suggest Dad kick his own arse.


35 posted on 02/22/2009 12:35:25 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: ridesthemiles
I would not ride any mass transit anywhere near Oakland, much less in the Bay Area.

I wouldn't ride mass transit in Atlanta, and I can carry a gun there. I used to do it while in grad school, and I can't even count the number of teeenage punks I had to stare down.

36 posted on 02/22/2009 12:42:15 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Nachum; All

The Dad owes every BART rider an apology fro his son’s bad behavior, and he should be forced by public hue and cry to formally beg the apology of the man his son tried to murder, the innocent victim his son did viciously attack so as to rob and to whom his son did injure.


37 posted on 02/22/2009 1:18:17 PM PST by bvw
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To: Nachum

Ping.


38 posted on 02/22/2009 8:35:52 PM PST by Poundstone
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