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To: tpanther; metmom
If there’s one religion under all out assault in this country it’s Christianity.

So what you're telling me is that someone is stopping you from:

-- practicing your faith;
-- going to the Church of your choice;
-- listening to and watching any of the ubiquitous dedicated Christian radio, television, and internet sites that broadcast free from any interference;
-- going to any of the hundreds of dedicated Christian bookstores available;
-- reading any of the hundreds of dedicated Christian magazines and books available in the marketplace;
-- personally speaking about your religious faith on street-corners, in the public square, or in your campaign for public office (heck, it has become practically mandatory that you advertise your your Judeo/Chrisitan piety to get elected to office in this country);
-- giving your money to any of the thousands of Churches, Christian charities, or Christian advocacy groups of your choice (including the three you listed);
-- availing yourself of the legal process to protect your religious rights (you'll note that lawsuits impinging on Christian priorities are not known for their actual success);
-- sending your children to any of the hundreds of parochial and private religious schools available, or home schooling your children in whatever religious tradition you choose;
-- having your children actually avail themselves of the bible courses and the myriad religious clubs and organizations available in public schools if that is where they are receiving their education;
-- etc., etc., etc.

It’s being systematically and openly attacked and singled out in public, including public schools across the board.

Christian advocacy groups (well funded, independent, and operating without the least interference) are quite successful in the occasional lawsuit that comes down the pike concerning nativity scenes, Christmas trees, the pledge of allegience, and other sundry public-Christian-imagery cases. Perhaps you hadn't noticed.

And it is rather telling that the few, unsourced "examples" you provide are the exact same ones that are trotted out year after year as proof of universal Christian "persecution." Why, in a country this size, are these same "examples" perpetually being re-dealt by the "we're persecuted" crowd? Could it be that there just isn't all that much actual "persecution" going on?

It’s just not smart to spread anti-Christian propoganda on a PRO-Christian website. It tends to stick out like a sore thumb. A big smelly festering infected sore thumb.

Look, chucklehead, I'm a Christian and actively involved in my Church's very public community projects. I support entirely the visible, public presence of Christianity. And it is not "anti-Christian" to point out that a vocal minority of self-righteous, histrionic Christians ply a "persecution" trade at every opportunity on the thinnest reeds imaginable.

You have no idea what religious persecution actually is, and it is downright embarrassing to see folks like you posing as an oppressed minority. Grow up.

348 posted on 02/24/2009 8:31:18 AM PST by atlaw
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To: atlaw
So what you're telling me is that someone is stopping you from:

You're flailing about very very badly, ... I'm not personally the kind of person that takes to liberals telling me what I can and can't do in public places or otherwise.

No one is stopping me, personally, from doing any of these things, (save the item I mentioned) because I know better, although it doesn't stop these various idiots with their multiple God-hang-ups from trying. And as pointed out, collectively, I'm directly involved in asking why the Georgia ACLU and other liberals think it's necessary to sue the school board to remove Christmas (without any parental input or notification) from the school calendar.

Since you're hellbent in minimizing and defending their actions, perhaps you can give one good reason to remove Christmas from a public school calendar?

When some idiot demands I or others not say Merry Christmas because someone might get offended...I get involved.

Sometimes this could be directly, (very) or other times it may be indirectly, (supporting Free Republic for example, btw a pro-Christian website).

But then, we weren't talking about me or making it personal were we?

I was PLAINLY talking about entire towns, schools and other groups as well as individuals being systematically attacked by liberals with their endless multiple God-hang-ups. I thought this was pretty clear actually.

All of those items you've listed, I will personally fight for. If this means fighting erosions or incrementalism, so be it. I won't ignore the Michael Newdow's locally or otherwise.

you'll note that lawsuits impinging on Christian priorities are not known for their actual success);

Ummm, not only will I NOT note it, but I'll laugh at the idea and invite you to re-read the afore-mentioned links:

www.ThomasMore.org

www.aclj.org

www.catholicleague.org

I'll also point out that because of groups just like these, more Christians (and others) are beginning more and more to understand their rights, so when a teacher tells a student not to say Merry Christmas, he and his parents and virtually everyone, know better, thanks to them.

It used to be that godless liberals could count on Christians (unlike any other group) to just shut up, turn the other cheek and take their abuse.

Not so.

And understand especially so because of these sites AND Free Republic.

Christian advocacy groups (well funded, independent, and operating without the least interference) are quite successful in the occasional lawsuit that comes down the pike concerning nativity scenes, Christmas trees, the pledge of allegience, and other sundry public-Christian-imagery cases. Perhaps you hadn't noticed.

Wow. It astounds me that this even occurs at all in this country in the first place. It's bad enough jerks get offended over children singing Christmas carols at Christmastime or don't want o hear Merry Christmas or see it in a school calendar ANY time of year, but for it to actually have to go to court ONCE is an outrage!

It's also painfully apparent that you think the hundreds if not thousands of lawsuits are "occasional" in your world.

And it is rather telling that the few, unsourced "examples" you provide are the exact same ones that are trotted out year after year as proof of universal Christian "persecution." Why, in a country this size, are these same "examples" perpetually being re-dealt by the "we're persecuted" crowd? Could it be that there just isn't all that much actual "persecution" going on?

Uhhhh...no.

I gave you the links, then there's google, it might help you look alot less foolish if you actually gave reading a chance!

www.catholicleague.org in particular has literally dozens and dozens of links. They actually break them down by the year.

When a person reads them, and I don't care if they're Christian or not, it should actually be quite alarming not based on religious principles but on American ones.

Look, chucklehead, I'm a Christian and actively involved in my Church's very public community projects.

Good for you! Personally though I prefer the American way, not the Euroweenie, slinking around, 2nd class citizen way.

I support entirely the visible, public presence of Christianity. And it is not "anti-Christian" to point out that a vocal minority of self-righteous, histrionic Christians ply a "persecution" trade at every opportunity on the thinnest reeds imaginable.

Ummmm again, you're really making a complete fool out of yourself by minimizing or ignoring all this...just as a Freeper if nothing else.

I've not seen anyone claiming to be Christian go to such extraordinary lengths to defend the ACLU, Michael Newdow and frankly too may other godless liberals to count. In my world banning the word Christmas from the school calendar, just because someone might get offended, is NOT a thin reed but quite a big log!

If a secularist godless liberal came to your school district and demanded the word Christmas be stricken from all school Calendars, from Dec. 25th, you know that Federal holiday, you can fold like a tent, roll over like a punk, but I won't.

Sorry, but virtually all Freepers would agree with me that not just as a Christian, but as an American, it's important to speak up, not minimize it and certainly not attack the people actually doing something while you're sitting on your hands ignoring it.

You have no idea what religious persecution actually is, and it is downright embarrassing to see folks like you posing as an oppressed minority. Grow up.

You're missing the point, either ignoring the links or can't read them; and I didn't say anything about "persecution" you did; incidentally, I understand the definition of persecution isn't limited to being killed or tortured, and I also understand that it all starts somewhere.

And secularist godless liberals dictating to the public what they're comfortable or uncomfortable with, hearing or seeing and so forth like Michael Newdow, should ALWAYS be confronted by ALL Americans.

Adults actually understand this concept.

It would seem that you've been here long enough to actually understand what Free Republic is all about by now.

I know some people are really slow, but GET A FREAKIN' CLUE ALREADY!

350 posted on 02/24/2009 3:34:45 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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