Posted on 02/21/2009 6:03:46 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
No, it's not. There are numerous examples of situations where it's being deliberately kept out. Many more than this one of it being allowed back in schools.
It's good to see that the Bible is being allowed back in schools, but it does verify the point that tpanther an I have made, that it has been kicked out over the years. However, it's sad that we should be glad to see the Bible getting back into the schools because it's a clear indicator that for decades, it has been kept out.
It shouldn't be just getting BACK into the schools, it never should have been kicked out in the first place.
Sadly, also, is that those numbers are a drop in the bucket. They should be way more.
Why shouldn't it be just one religion? What do you want, that islam be promoted in public schools as well?
There is no reason to not endorse a religion that is shown to work and produce results. Promoting Christianity is going to be far better than promoting secular humanism, that the government has been promoting for decades.
No, that's your interpretation. It doesn't say that He TOILED.
There's nothing in the reading of that, literal or not, that indicates that God HAD TO rest on the 7th day. All it says is that He DID rest on the seventh day.
Both your statements, that He toiled and HAD to rest, are ASSumptions are based on a misinterpretation of Scripture by applying man's standards to God.
No, it's not. There are numerous examples of situations where it's being deliberately kept out.
An actual example would be nice.
All it says is that he DID rest? It is YOU that is misquoting the bible. I am going on the Bible. He worked. He toiled. He rested from all his work(toil).
2 And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation.
I am going on what another poster put out earlier that God spoke in terms that had meaning in man's reference. That is a "Day" references our 24 hour day. Therefore when he says that he had to rest after all his work, it means that, uh, he had to rest after all his work.
Nice excerpt of my post inorder to distort. Thanks
That's not what you said. You said that I wanted to remove evolution from the schools AND replace it with my beliefs. See post 299 for a break down. So what's the big deal with me wanting my beliefs taught in the public school system? Evos/atheists want their beliefs taught in the public school system, too. What's your point?
This. You want to remove evolution from the public school system. I do not want to remove religion from the public school system. Who has what to fear from whom?
“Those who need the ToE for their chosen career fields can take it at the college level. The only reason to push it in high school to kids who are never going to need it, is to push an ideology on them.”
Uh huh. You're not a stupid fellow, so I must conclude that you're deliberately missing the point. It is not a question of whether or not the world is a figment of my imagination. Let us simply stipulate that the world is actual, and exists in and of itself.
Your challenge is simply to prove to me that the world is actually older than I am -- and in the argument I am allowed to use your arguments. What I'm getting at, FRiend, is that the effort required for you to convince me that the world is older than I am, will require you to address the serious (and ultimately self-indulgent) weakness of your own "young Earth" claims. Perhaps you're unwilling to face the implications.
“To date, our Bible curriculum has been voted into 475 school districts (over 1,900 high schools) in 38 states.”
How many lawsuits have been filed to stop this?
Acually, the challenge is to prove that you even exist!
As Mr. Descartes discussed in his Pensees, the question of my own existence is not an issue; your existence, on the other hand.....
Isn't that why the settlers left England? Isn't that why there was a Russian revolution?
I will concede that you exist if you will return the favor.
LOL! No problem!
Now we can get onto proving to me that the world is older than I am, right?
Your statement infers that the earth has existed for your lifetime. Since we are reciprocating our common existence then the earth has existed also for my lifetime. Given that I am older than you (for arguments sake but probably true) then the earth existed prior to your existence.
None that I'm aware of to date, though there has been a great deal of legislative and school board debate concerning the curriculum accompanying Bible courses.
It's a fine line between Biblical literature and history on the one hand, and proselytizing on the other. Texas, for example, has struggled recently with implementation due to the vagueness of the authorizing legislation and the lack of concrete guidelines to which individual teachers must adhere, with the consequent specter of an individual teacher turning Bible class into an adjunct of a particular community church.
Thanks. According to some here I would have thought there would have been hundreds of lawsuits amassed by the evil evos.
I take it that since you have quit refuting the following statement that you have found out that you did in fact post it!
“Those who need the ToE for their chosen career fields can take it at the college level. The only reason to push it in high school to kids who are never going to need it, is to push an ideology on them.”
Actually, no, there is no need for me to reciprocate in that manner. In fact, you've brought us to the place where the "young Earth" argument leaves the rails.
The basis of "young Earth" theory is to offer alternative explanations for why things that appear to be extremely old, really aren't extremely old ... never, ever, extremely old.
The "young Earth" explanation for fossil evidence of dinosaurs is (as far as I can tell), "God put them there for us to find them." There's certainly no Biblical support to argue for a coexistence of humans and the huge number of dinosaurs that the fossil record contains.
Well, OK -- perhaps you're in the same class as those dinosaur fossils. I will argue that God just put you there for me and others like me to exchange posts with you.
Too late. You already agreed that I existed on the same terms as your existence.
Not at all. You offered the following: "I will concede that you exist if you will return the favor."
I merely agreed that you actually exist.
The "terms" of your existence are a different matter entirely. I can agree that you exist, in much the same way that "young Earthers" agree that dinosaur fossils exist.
You're in the position now of an "old Earther," trying to convince me that you existed/will exist outside the timescale that I have defined for the universe.
This highlights the fundamental weakness of the "young Earther" position. The entire argument hinges on fitting the observable evidence within a very specific and limited timescale, based on a very specific set of assumptions, and created by humans with a very specific point of view.
The implication is that God -- who exists outside time and space -- is somehow constrained to operate within that human-defined timespan.
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