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1 posted on 02/19/2009 7:35:38 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 02/19/2009 7:36:16 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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"This isn't about abortion on demand, it's about a careful, careful consideration of all factors and - to - that a woman has to make with her doctor and her god."

Whenever someone uses the phrase 'her God' or 'his God,' it's a near-sure sign of being a pagan idolater. She obviously makes up 'her' God to meet 'her' needs--and allows everyone else to make up 'their' God for the needs of the moment. God doesn't need a possesive pronoun, unlesss it's the kind of god you wear on a chain around your neck. The Pope should have ex-communicated her.
3 posted on 02/19/2009 7:39:52 AM PST by farmer18th (If I weren't so extremely intelligent, people would mistake me for George Clooney)
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Nancy Pelosi truly deserves to be officially excommuicated by the Catholic Church. Serve her the Bull.


4 posted on 02/19/2009 7:41:13 AM PST by Professor_Leonide (I said to the young man, "Who can ever be behind a mask?" when he showed me a photograph.)
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As I said on another thread, Speaker Polosi has just received her 2nd (and last) call to repentance and reconciliation. The next move is up to Speaker Polosi. She has exhausted her appeals.
5 posted on 02/19/2009 7:41:15 AM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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>>Michael Voris of Real Catholic TV<<

This guy is from MI. He was on 1400 for a while and films in Ferndale, MI

http://www.catholictelevision.org/


10 posted on 02/19/2009 7:55:21 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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Maybe excommunication won't work against stiff-necked Nancy.

Is there a place for the fatwa in Catholicism, do you think? The Muslims might be on to something........ :-)

11 posted on 02/19/2009 7:56:09 AM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future"- Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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A priest being interviewed by O’Reilly last night made an interesting observation. He said that in these types of pope-celebrity meetings, typically there are tons of photos taken, but he could find none of this meeting. He thinks Pope nixed photos because he didn’t want to play in to Pelosi’s obvious photo-op reason for being there.

Also, Dennis Miller said that maybe the Pope didn’t know it was Pelosi, but thought he was seeing the Shroud of Turin instead. :)


13 posted on 02/19/2009 8:00:51 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (I feel much better since I gave up hope.)
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"When asked whether Pelosi had changed her position on abortion to agree with Catholic teaching, Daly stated, "You won't see that happening. She is not changing her position on abortion."

Then she HAS to be excommunicated. Now.

14 posted on 02/19/2009 8:01:04 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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I encourage everyone to pray for her. She could be in the midst of a conversion. There is a lot of public pressure on her to remain pro-abortion, especially representing a district with San Francisco.
However, like most people, I’m sure she knows in her heart of hearts that abortion is wrong. Pray that she is given the light and courage to admit it, and to feel that conviction. She knows a conversion would cost her her political career.
She is garnering a lot of attention lately from the church so there could be something good that comes out of this. Just say a few prayers for her.


21 posted on 02/19/2009 8:09:59 AM PST by floridavoter2
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Do you think the Vatican is playing her like a Stradivarius by giving her every opportunity to be pastorally counseled by the appropriate ecclesial authorities before coming down hard on her public defiance and obstinance in support of gravely sinful behavior?

Meanwhile, The Speakerette poses as if she has had the honor of a private audience with the pope, as if it were a sign of her Catholic bona fides - when in reality it was a dressing down by the pope?


27 posted on 02/19/2009 8:25:24 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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Rome, Italy, Feb 18, 2009 / 05:52 pm (CNA).- After her meeting with the Holy Father this morning, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi released a statement highlighting the positive aspects of the meeting but ignoring the Pope’s correction of her support for legal abortion.

In her statement, Pelosi says:”It is with great joy that my husband, Paul, and I met with His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI, today. In our conversation, I had the opportunity to praise the Church’s leadership in fighting poverty, hunger, and global warming, as well as the Holy Father’s dedication to religious freedom and his upcoming trip and message to Israel. I was proud to show His Holiness a photograph of my family’s papal visit in the 1950s, as well as a recent picture of our children and grandchildren.

In contrast, the Holy See released a statement regarding the meeting noting that Pope Benedict spoke of the requirements of the natural moral law and also the Church’s consistent teaching on the dignity of human life from conception until natural death, which enjoin all Catholics, and especially legislators, jurists, and those responsible for the common good of society, to work in cooperation with all men and women of good will in creating a just system of laws capable of protecting human life at all stages of development.

Comparing the two releases, Catholic commentator and author George Weigel responded saying that the statement from the office of Pelosi makes it obvious that there is more to the story: that Pelosi, who shamelessly trumpets her ardent Catholicism while leading congressional Democrats in a continuing assault on what the Catholic Church regards as the inalienable human rights of the unborn, was trying to recruit Benedict XVI to Team Nancy.

But Pope Benedict wasn’t swayed, Weigel told the National Review Online. During the meeting, the Holy Father told her politely but unmistakably that her pro-abortion support puts her in serious difficulties as a Catholic, which was his obligation as a pastor. Furthermore, Weigel asserts, Pope Benedict was directing his words to other pro-abortion Catholics in the United States: Joe Biden, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Barbara Mikulski, Rose DeLauro, Kathleen Sebelius, and others clarifying to them that the Catholic stance against abortion is not some weird Catholic hocus-pocus it’s a first principle of justice than can be known by reason. It is a requirement of the natural moral law says Weigel, that is, the moral truths we can know by thinking about what is right and what is wrong ,to defend the inviolability of innocent human life. You don’t have to believe in papal primacy to know that; you don’t have do believe in seven sacraments, or the episcopal structure of the Church, or the divinity of Christ, to know that. You don’t even have to believe in God to know that. You only have to be a morally serious human being, willing to work through a moral argument which, of course, means being the kind of person who understands that moral truth cannot be reduced to questions of feminist political correctness or partisan political advantage.

Though it is apparent that Pelosi is deeply confused about what her church teaches on the morality of abortion, Weigel continues, she has now been informed, and by a world-class intellectual who happens to be the universal pastor of the Catholic Church, that she is, in fact, confused, and that both her spiritual life and her public service are in jeopardy because of that. Weigel adds that even though President Obama is not Catholic, he should understand that he will get the same message if, as expected, he meets with His Holiness later this year.


42 posted on 02/19/2009 9:52:52 AM PST by joe fonebone (When you ask God for help, sometimes he sends the Marines.)
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'careful, careful'

What is the purpose of saying words over again. Pelosi does this all the time. Her presentation is horrible and very annoying.

She is free to not vote on any legislation that is related to abortion and the sanctity of life. But if she did this then it would affect her ability to fundraise with the pro-abort organizations.

Pelosi is all about money that is why she supports abortion.
65 posted on 02/19/2009 11:19:25 AM PST by Fred (Buy on the Rumor - Sell on the Fact)
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Pelosi has excommunicated herself from the Church and Christ and is in mortal sin if she takes the Eucharist. Any Priest or Bishop that openly supports her and her view without letting her know of her grave error and sin also commits a sin, including the Pope. The Pope is the vicar of Christ and carries the responsibility of Peter as handed down from Christ to Peter and from Peter to each and every other Pope since Christ was on earth and instructed the apostles that whoever sins you forgive are forgiven and whoever sins are held bound are held bound. Peter has the keys to the kingdom.
80 posted on 02/19/2009 4:10:20 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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