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1 posted on 02/18/2009 10:33:30 AM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

God bless them as they take this stand!! They have the weight of the evil lefty world against them—but so did David when he faced Goliath!


2 posted on 02/18/2009 10:38:10 AM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: Delacon; bamahead

Ping


3 posted on 02/18/2009 10:38:35 AM PST by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks for posting this, sir. :o)

I listened to Jay's show this morning while applying spackle (sp?) to my face. The subject matter got me upset and didn't help with smoothing out those wrinkles. sigh.

4 posted on 02/18/2009 10:39:20 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: Jim Robinson

I have not donated anything to ACLJ for a while. This might just be an issue worthy of hard earned money!


5 posted on 02/18/2009 10:39:26 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: Jim Robinson

Hah. I read that and my mind translated it to ACLU and I thought, wow - talk about strange bedfellows...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahaha! ! ! ! ! !


6 posted on 02/18/2009 10:41:29 AM PST by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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To: Jim Robinson

The source of the support for the “Fairness Doctrine” comes from political sources. It is not coming from a groundswell of the common man. Therefore, we can conclude that the doctrine is politically motivated. We know this is true, but ask anyone stuck on stupid to see if they can name the source of support.


7 posted on 02/18/2009 10:41:46 AM PST by pghkevin (Where have the principles of the founding fathers gone?)
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To: Jim Robinson
INDEED! INDEED! INDEED! INDEED! INDEED! INDEED! INDEED! INDEED! INDEED! INDEED! INDEED! INDEED!

Thanks. And thanks for having the character to not relinquish passwords any easier than you'd release the . . . steel in your hands with a round pointy end!

9 posted on 02/18/2009 10:46:18 AM PST by Quix (POL BOSSES say fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Jim Robinson

YYYiipppeeee!!!!!


10 posted on 02/18/2009 10:50:50 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Jim Robinson

Radio, cable, the internet......all are being discussed as needing “fairness” correction measures by the left. Seems they want to control the information flow. Good way to minimize any organized movements by the right.


11 posted on 02/18/2009 10:51:45 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Jim Robinson

Just heard on Fix News that Obama said he will BLOCK ant effort to bring back the FD. We’ll see...


12 posted on 02/18/2009 10:58:54 AM PST by apastron (I miss the good old days - when bankers just jumped out of a window...)
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To: Jim Robinson

Great!! Now where is the action also on the Census and socialized medical care?


20 posted on 02/18/2009 1:13:50 PM PST by mojitojoe (None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: Jim Robinson; ebiskit; TenthAmendmentChampion; Obadiah; Mind-numbed Robot; A.Hun; johnny7; ...
I agree with Rush's take on this - namely, that an attempt to revive the "fairness" doctrine is in fact coming at us - not only at talk radio but probably also at the internet - but that it will be called something other than the "fairness doctrine." That has already been run into the ground, and another euphemism for censorship will be employed - something along the lines of "community standards." My take on it is that we have no hope of winning in the court of public opinion if that is defined as whatever the MSM says it is. But we do have hope in SCOTUS as presently constituted, because it was O'Connor rather than Kennedy who provided the fifth vote in McConnell v. FEC to uphold McCain-Feingold, which essentially upholds the idea that "the press" "is" "objective."

My approach would be, ironically, to avoid reference to the First Amendment but rather to argue that the Bill of Rights was understood by the framers of the Constitution to be included within the Constitution itself. And I would argue that there is under the Constitution no such thing as a "fourth estate," since under Section 9 of Article 1

"No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States,"
and the strata of

have no application here. Here, there is only "the governments" (of various jurisdictions, including the federal one) and "the people." I held back from discussing the First Amendment because the term "the press" has been distorted by those who claim that they have special rights not contemplated in the Constitution. "The freedom of . . . the press" is not a right only of those who own presses now, it is the right of the people to spend their own money to buy presses at their own pleasure. Indeed, those of us who own computers and printers, or photocopiers, may be said to own presses. So the claim that only journalists are "the press" is fatuous. Indeed, the newspapers of the founding era were distinctly different from those with which we are familiar - to such an extent that those who today style themselves as "the press" would not recognize any of the printers of the newspapers of the founding era as being members of their "press." Because implicit acceptance of the objectivity of all other journalists was not a staple of the Eighteenth Century newspaper. That is an artifact of the telegraph and the Associated Press (founded 1848), which probably no framer of the Constitution or Bill of Rights survived to see.

The claim that the framers of the Constitution did not foresee technologies such as the radio and the internet can be countered by reference to Article 1 Section 8 which explicitly provides that Congress has the authority

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries
which certainly authorizes the reader of the Constitution to assert that in fact the framers did foresee and promote progress in technology "useful" for publicizing information and opinions. The fear of the Federalists who opposed the inclusion of a bill of rights in the Constitution was that it would not cover every right which was (they held) implied by the body of the Constitution - and that opponents of liberty would use the Bill of Rights not as a floor but a ceiling on the rights of the people. And when people suggest that liberty does not apply to the use of technologies not mentioned in the First Amendment that is precisely what they are doing. Hence, my point that an appeal to the First Amendment may ironically not be the best way to vindicate the right of the people to promote our opinions by use of post-Eighteenth Century technologies, to the limits of our own purses and predilections. And the collateral right of the people to attend to, or at their own pleasure to ignore, any such efforts.

The Right to Know

And from my POV the problem we should be addressing is precisely how to get that issue before SCOTUS, and precisely what remedy we can seek in such action. It is not clear to me that waiting for some "fairness doctrine" assault to fully form is prudent. It seems to me that there should be torts to be found in any and all operations (and in some inactions) of the Federal Election Commission, for example. Because campaign finance regulation is censorship.


22 posted on 02/18/2009 2:11:41 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Change is what journalism is all about. NATURALLY journalists favor "change.")
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To: Jim Robinson
It occurs to me that when people claim that "the press" of the First Amendment does not include technologies such as the radio and the internet which didn't exist in the founding era, they lay themselves open to the question of whether or not the telegraph falls under the First Amendment. Obviously they have to have the telegraph, because without it the Associated Press doesn't exist - and newspapers are isolated from each other by geography, and probably become subject to sanctions under the Sherman Antitrust Act over the way they are in cahoots with each other.

But when they defend the telegraph, they moot any attack on the radio and the internet as not being literal "speech" or literal "press."

In any case, their plaint about radio is not the technology but the existence of a format which favorable to philosophers and not congenial to sophists.


25 posted on 02/18/2009 2:41:37 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Change is what journalism is all about. NATURALLY journalists favor "change.")
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; justiceseeker93; ..

Blame for Burris mess isn’t Blagojevich’s alone
(Obama was the beneficiary of Burris’ lies)
Chicago Tribune | 2-18-09 | John Kass
Posted on 02/18/2009 12:22:42 PM PST by STARWISE
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2188546/posts

Alberta’s oilsands create ‘big carbon footprint,’ Obama says
canada.com | February 17, 2009 | Jason Fekete
Posted on 02/18/2009 11:39:01 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2188511/posts


26 posted on 02/18/2009 6:21:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Jim Robinson
"You are seeing today an all out attempt to marshal the forces of the opposition, using not merely the communists, or their fellow travelers-the deluded liberals, the eggheads, and some of my good friends in both the Democratic and Republican Parties who can become heros over night in the eyes of the left-wing press if they will just join with the jackal pack"

Joseph McCarthy

31 posted on 02/18/2009 7:47:36 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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