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TNR: "Without Immediate Intervention Our Loved One Will Die" (California Budget, Demographics)
TNR ^ | 18.02.2009 | TNR

Posted on 02/18/2009 10:28:33 AM PST by GOPGuide

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Given California's political and demographic realities, abolishing the supermajority budget requirement by constitutional convention is probably the state's only realistic option, if it wants to avoid these annual legislative trainwrecks. But let's be clear: that would be treating the symptons, not the underlying disease--which is that California is split between a white, rural, conservative Republican bloc and an urban, largely nonwhite, liberal Democratic bloc that frankly want nothing to do with each other. No such state is ever likely to have a healthy or functional politics, no matter what kind of institutional arrangements one can devise.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calbudget; california; immigratio; immigration
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California is split between a white, rural, conservative Republican bloc and an urban, largely nonwhite, liberal Democratic bloc that frankly want nothing to do with each other.

Remember, this is in lefty THE NEW REPUBLIC, not a Paleocon mag! Never thought I would see the day...

1 posted on 02/18/2009 10:28:33 AM PST by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide

Just a microcosm of the whole country at this point.


2 posted on 02/18/2009 10:30:35 AM PST by Melinda
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To: Melinda

Remember, “Diversity is prosperity”!


3 posted on 02/18/2009 10:33:06 AM PST by GOPGuide
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To: Melinda

Two Americas indeed.

I just don’t see how we can recover from the class warfare and entitlement society that the Liberals have so successfully cultivated over the past several decades.


4 posted on 02/18/2009 10:33:11 AM PST by Zeddicus
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To: GOPGuide

Any mention of the fact that CA budget is way out of control, that the politicians in that state, and all over this country, are bankrupting the economy?


5 posted on 02/18/2009 10:34:37 AM PST by Pietro
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To: Zeddicus

Our only hope is that the minority voter base and guilty white liberal base of the Dems splits the party apart with the minorities forming their own parties and the white liberals forming the Gay-Lesbian-Gaia worship Green-Communist party.

:)


6 posted on 02/18/2009 10:35:14 AM PST by GOPGuide
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To: Zeddicus
Same here. I'm battling it on a local paper site. This new Socialist movement Obama is spearheading is incredibly contagious with his minions, and has emboldened the nutcases to push harder.
7 posted on 02/18/2009 10:36:22 AM PST by Melinda
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To: GOPGuide
Of course liberals and conservatives want nothing to do with each other! I don't want to make life easier for the Left. I want to make it miserable for them!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

8 posted on 02/18/2009 10:41:22 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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>> I just don’t see how we can recover from the class warfare and entitlement society that the Liberals have so successfully cultivated over the past several decades.

I see two ways it might happen.

1) The conversion of a large number of the ungodly to Christianity, which would instill in them a sense of a higher being and some moral fiber. That, in turn, would cause them to choose responsibility over entitlement.

2) The wholesale death of 2/3 of the population of several major left-leaning cities, by whatever means (terrorism, civil war, nuclear war).

I’m hoping for 1). I fear it may come down to 2).


9 posted on 02/18/2009 10:42:17 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: GOPGuide

Read “tax payers” and “tax eaters”....


10 posted on 02/18/2009 10:42:46 AM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Requiescat In Pace)
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Socialism Is Prosperity! Capitalism Is Perdition!

That's what they brainwash the masses with these days. I can't wait for Porkulus II. It will never be enough!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

11 posted on 02/18/2009 10:43:49 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: GOPGuide
I see two (opposite) ways to handle this. First is localism on most issues. If San Fancisco wants to spend a zillion dollars on every social program, let San Francisco pay for it rather than getting the entire state to support it. That would minimalize the state budget.

The second, and far more likely under Obama, is grant citizenship to all the illegals which would give the Dems a unrestricted supermajority in California to let them do whatever they want without the Republicans able to slow it down.

12 posted on 02/18/2009 10:44:20 AM PST by KarlInOhio (On 9/11 Israel mourned with us while the Palestinians danced in the streets. Who should we support?)
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“California is split between a white, rural, conservative Republican bloc and an urban, largely nonwhite, liberal Democratic bloc that frankly want nothing to do with each other.”

Actually it is a simple divide between those that pay taxes and those that do not.


13 posted on 02/18/2009 10:45:14 AM PST by edcoil (Hey, I found my round-tuit, guess I'll go to work now.)
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California is split between a white, rural, conservative Republican bloc and an urban, largely nonwhite, liberal Democratic bloc that frankly want nothing to do with each other
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there is a caveat here.

the non whites do want the white’s money. they believe state sponsored plunder is an appropriate way to get it. that white money is a renewable inexhaustible resource like America seemed to be to America’s early pioneers.


14 posted on 02/18/2009 10:46:41 AM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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Liberals play the Race Card TM! BRING ON MORE PORKULUS! WE ARE OWED!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 02/18/2009 10:49:20 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Pietro

No.


16 posted on 02/18/2009 10:51:33 AM PST by dominic flandry
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To: GOPGuide

Their solution is to eliminate the rural, largely white, bloc....


17 posted on 02/18/2009 10:51:56 AM PST by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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I'm that rural, redneck white in Colorado who doesn't appreciate arugula!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

18 posted on 02/18/2009 10:54:13 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Little Ray
Their solution is to eliminate the rural, largely white, bloc....

That's the plan! Get back to work, you have hungry 3rd world immigrants mouths to feed! ;)

19 posted on 02/18/2009 10:59:25 AM PST by GOPGuide
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To: Nervous Tick
The conversion of a large number of the ungodly to Christianity, which would instill in them a sense of a higher being and some moral fiber. That, in turn, would cause them to choose responsibility over entitlement.

Most of the people currently on the welfare roles are devout, practicing Christians. Most of the "ungodly" types are among the urban and suburban professionals paying most of the taxes.

The real problem here is the steady, calculated takeover of the education system and the media by liberals. Liberal indoctrination, subtle and not-so-subtle, is a regular part of education from kindergarten to graduate school. Liberals control the content of the TV networks, the major newspapers, the major newsweeklies, and movies. Conservatives have allowed our cultural and educational systems to be taken over uncontested by liberals, and we then wonder why so many people are willing to stomach government tax and debt numbers we usually associate with distances between galaxies.
20 posted on 02/18/2009 12:29:35 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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