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Bart Shooting: Video Evidence That Grant Was Swinging His Own Arm Up Onto His Own Back When Shot
Flopping Aces ^ | 02-18-09 | Alec Rawls

Posted on 02/18/2009 7:53:04 AM PST by Starman417

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1 posted on 02/18/2009 7:53:05 AM PST by Starman417
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To: Starman417

Never thought it to be a great idea to have Tasers same shape and size as firearms.


2 posted on 02/18/2009 7:59:55 AM PST by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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I agree, I am surprised that they are easy to confuse with a gun. In the heat of the moment people may make mistakes. It would seem that anything that lessens the likelihood that those mistakes can be fatal should be done.


3 posted on 02/18/2009 8:03:37 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: DariusBane

Also, according to a BART police officer that posts at the website BartRage, they had only had these particular Tasers for about 30 days.


4 posted on 02/18/2009 8:09:32 AM PST by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: brytlea

Or don’t get in a situation where police have to make split second decisions about your intentions.


5 posted on 02/18/2009 8:09:50 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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That’s my own personal policy!


6 posted on 02/18/2009 8:10:43 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: Dutchboy88

Bingo! we have a winner


7 posted on 02/18/2009 8:14:03 AM PST by NonValueAdded (May God save America from its government; this is no time for Obamateurs)
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To: Starman417
So frakking what? I guess a fully grown man couldn't just put a knee in his back and fully immobilize him?

Yes I am going to Monday morning quarterback this because a police officer executed a handcuffed citizen.

8 posted on 02/18/2009 8:15:07 AM PST by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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Due to the gun or Taser likely mistake, BART Officer Johannes Mehserle should not be charged with murder or negligent homicide. He was a sworn officer acting in the heat of a legal arrest and made a momentary mistake. The slain perpetrator’s relatives still have a case against BART for negligence on the part of one of their agents, Mehserle, but that is a money matter, not a criminal matter.


9 posted on 02/18/2009 8:17:41 AM PST by RicocheT
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He was a sworn officer acting in the heat of a legal arrest and made a momentary mistake

Uh huh...and you'd be saying that if it was your brother or dad or son that was shot?

10 posted on 02/18/2009 8:26:58 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Obama says we should listen to our enemies, but not to Rush)
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To: Centurion2000
"Yes I am going to Monday morning quarterback this because a police officer executed a handcuffed citizen."

ERR! I just read he was handcuffed after he was shot.

11 posted on 02/18/2009 8:27:40 AM PST by the_daug
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Look it up. The video and the articles when this first came out had the guy in handcuffs on the floor face down THEN he got shot by that piece of dogcrap police officer.


12 posted on 02/18/2009 8:30:03 AM PST by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: Dutchboy88
Or don’t get in a situation where police have to make split second decisions about your intentions.

Like being already restrained, and cooperating with the cops?

13 posted on 02/18/2009 8:33:04 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Dutchboy88

Sometimes the situation comes to you. As in a no-knock raid that has YOUR address instead of the right one.


14 posted on 02/18/2009 8:33:52 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: RicocheT

Bullcrap, he shot a person, who was already under restraint, gangland style. Indefensible.


15 posted on 02/18/2009 8:34:35 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: NonValueAdded

So, being face down, already under restraint is justification for a cop to shoot you?


16 posted on 02/18/2009 8:35:26 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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"Notice the timing. Grant's arm is in mid-swing, still in the air above his back, at the moment when Mehserle's fires. Grant, mortally wounded, then finishes pulling his arm up behind his own back. Here is a frame grab of the fatal instant (at 37;17), when Mehserle's muzzle blast first appears:"

Ok look at the video and you still don't make since to what I see.

17 posted on 02/18/2009 8:37:28 AM PST by the_daug
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To: Travis T. OJustice

The story seems to read that he only was starting to cooperate once he heard the cop say he was going to taser him.

I think the officer accidentally drew the wrong weapon. It’s not an excuse for him, or that he shouldn’t face the consequences, I think he drew the wrong weapon.

And I think this will also force the PD to implement different training and placement of weapons if they are going to have both tasers and pistols.


18 posted on 02/18/2009 8:37:47 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Sure, I’d be upset if the slain person was close to me, but I am looking at the situation in light of established law in the USA. A cop in the course of his legal duties who makes a momentary mistake is not doing a criminal act when the mistake results in harm of another. The same law works for other professionals. Heart doctors used to goof hooking up the heart lung lines until the machine maker colored the line in red and the line out blue. Same deal with the same shape of the grip on a gun/Tazer, but these should have different shapes as one does not look when grabbing in haste.


19 posted on 02/18/2009 8:41:20 AM PST by RicocheT
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To: Centurion2000

It seems pretty clear to me in the video above that he wasn’t yet cuffed when he was shot.


20 posted on 02/18/2009 8:42:28 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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