Christina Beam: Common ground on gun control

Baraboo News Republic ^ | 18 February, 2009 | Christina Beam

[longtermmemmory]

Fake article.

Remember left wing authors always use fake anecdote stories.

Now way is this story real.

[JenB987]

Weapons in the hands of innocent and free citizens make a happier and more peaceful society. That’s all the control you need.

[MrB]

She demonstrates the liberal “unconstrained vision” of the human condition. Humans are “basically good” and “perfectible” but can only achieve that perfection when the social systems in which they live are conducive to that achievement.

Hey, Christina, it was the liberal meddling in social systems in the first place that caused the poverty and broken homes that cause the majority of the violence you fear.

[MrB]

You noticed the subtle racism as well, eh?

[Lurker]

But I do think requiring a gun owner to comply with similar laws as, say, a car owner, is not such a bad idea.

I'll take this in a heartbeat.

It means I can buy the largest and most powerful car I can afford without asking anyones permission beforehand.

It means I can buy as many cars as I want without asking anyones permission beforehand.

It means I can take whatever car I chose into all 50 States in the Union wherever and whenever I chose.

It means one 'license' that's good in all 50 States.

I think that when the author thinks this one through she'll change her mind (whatever she has that passes for a mind anyway) pretty quick.

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[jrp]

But I do think requiring a gun owner to comply with similar laws as, say, a car owner, is not such a bad idea.

Sounds fine by me. I can buy cars of any type, in any quantity, from any seller anywhere, with no background check, waiting period, limitation or license, for use on private property. Using any of my cars in public requires an easy-to-get shall-issue license that's valid in all 50 states.

[XR7]

Typical liberal - compromise is when you accept their position.

Of course.
Their position is so reasonable.
Why must you be so unreasonable?
They just wanna hep you.

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

In any compromise between food and poison,
it is only death that can win.
In any compromise between good and evil,
it is only evil that can profit.

AYN RAND

[Ancesthntr]

And if I hadn't married his brother and he were asked to describe me, he would probably use a term like "bleeding-heart liberal" or "hippie."

Assuming the story is true (and I assume no such thing), I'll bet that her B-I-L DOES call her those things and worse - but being an ex-Marine, he's probably polite enough not to do it to her face.

[Ancesthntr]

I doubt the bill in its current form would ever pass, given that nearly half of all American households have guns,

It won't - and was never intended to pass. It is a Trojan Horse, hiding the real first step of the libtard gun-grabbers, AWB II.

...and it would be a bureaucratic and much-protested mess.

I think that she hasn't got a clue as to HOW protested it will be. Remember, honey, most of the folks who oppose you HAVE GUNS.

But I do think requiring a gun owner to comply with similar laws as, say, a car owner, is not such a bad idea.

It isn't "such a bad idea." Nope, it is an astoundingly horrible idea, among the worst in a long litany of truly crap-filled ideas propounded by the likes of you, beotch. Tell you what, I'll comply with this law right after you comply with a law that does similar things with regard to free speech and freedom of assembly, and after you sell the idea of such a law regarding freedom of worship. But not until then.

My brother-in-law worries that any step toward tracking guns is a step toward taking them away.

He is right. Can't take them away unless you know where they are, can you? Stupid beotch!

[Billthedrill]

My brother-in-law worries that any step toward tracking guns is a step toward taking them away.

I note the lady never really does refute this. Because it is, isn't it?

What we would need is a Constitutional amendment guaranteeing that those firearms could never be taken away by the federal government. Wouldn't that be nice? Oh, wait a minute...

[Tijeras_Slim]

Needs a Barf Alert

[Tijeras_Slim]

Needs a Barf Alert

[El Gato]

You cannot ‘compromise’ something that is given as a RIGHT in the Constitution Not "given as". "protected as". Rights do not come from the Constitutiont, or any other document.

Thomas Jefferson put it this way:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,

Or if you prefer, they are "natural rights". Rights that men had before there were goverments. Either way, governments exist to protect them, not infringe on them. (Though they always do, and that's why we have a second amendment).

[csmusaret]

I’ll bet Mr Holt takes his gun home with him when his shift is over.

[kitchen]

Typical liberal - compromise is when you accept their position.

... the Delphi Technique is an unethical method of achieving consensus on controversial topics. It requires well-trained professionals, known as "facilitators" or "change agents," who deliberately escalate tension among group members, pitting one faction against another to make a preordained viewpoint appear "sensible," while making opposing views appear ridiculous.

[Iron Munro]

It requires well-trained professionals, known as "facilitators" or "change agents," who deliberately escalate tension among group members, pitting one faction against another to make a preordained viewpoint appear "sensible," while making opposing views appear ridiculous.

Wow! Thanks for the link.

Using the Delphi Technique to Achieve Consensus
How it is leading us away from representative government to an illusion of citizen participation

Isn't this exactly what has been done on a grand scale to the entire country?

"Using the "divide and conquer" principle, they manipulate one opinion against another, making those who are out of step appear "ridiculous, unknowledgeable, inarticulate, or dogmatic."

With the help of a willing leftist media the democrats have pitted us against each other over minor issues while they steal our Republic.
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[kitchen]

Once you recognize the techniques you'll find you can't go to a government meeting without someone trying to switch you. Your kids get this for 7 or 8 hours a day in school; eventually most stop trying to question their teachers. If you have "corporate training" like General Electric's Change Acceleration Process you'll see the same stuff over again.

A few years ago I went to a public meeting on wolf reintroduction. The sinapu crowd rode over with the state wildlife people. Every time somebody from the audience made a statement the big city wildlife meeting facilitator would restate it, but shaded toward the sinapu position. I caught up with the facilitator at the end and asked why Delphi was needed in a public comment meeting and where did she learn the technique. She said she didn't know what I was talking about but looked like she'd taken a 2x4 across the head.