Posted on 02/17/2009 3:07:30 AM PST by King of Card Games
How quickly they forget.
All these dupes of the national Republican Party, I mean.
Just a few months ago John McCain was promising a plan that would have created a budget deficit equal to or greater than the one now being created by Barack Obama.
But now that it's Obama who's in the White House, the Beltway Republicans are trying to convince us that they've seen the light and converted to fiscal conservatism.
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RE “Do you know that the federal deficit has not made one bit of difference to this nation for over 30 years? “
There you go!,you proved it for me. You and Bush just justified ALL Obama’s spending, exactly! That is why we are doomed. Bush had to make that claim, a licence to steal!
You would be called a "Constitutional Conservative", which is what I've grown into over the years, and it is where I will stay...
We need to lose the "R" and "D" and get back to the basics which is what will save both Conservatives and our Republic... The Constitution!
Damn, he never posted on THIS thread.
There you go! Couldn’t have said it better...
When the TRUE deficit is over 65 TRILLION dollars and the Government only take in a little over a Trillion dollars a year in taxes, something is going to give... Soon!
But I don't include his military actions and tax cuts in the negative column of his time on watch. The mortgage crisis was an IED on the economy built and ready to go off before he ever took office. He tried to get Congress to address it at least twice. Those who say the war and tax cuts are part of the economic problem have lost me. I don't fault Bush for the mortgage industry problems either. TARP is another story.
Ok so let's see. You want to invade Iraq , rebuild Iraq and tax cuts too, but Barney Frank's democrat voter wants free health care for his kid. So you say, “deficits dont matter for my spending, but we cant afford yours, even if there are no WMDs like we promised, sorry, get another job.. ”Now why didnt that work in 2006 and 2008 election? Brilliant!
IE “It is also undeniable that our economy was cooking along up until 2006 or so.”
There was NO economic growth! None! It was phony asset bubble of paper values based on foreign debt and printed money. It lured many good people (and bad people) into buying/invested at inflated values they will never see again, And now the government is borrowing/printing trillions more to paper over those losses with a socialistic takeover of our private economy. It's called Ponzi bubble not growth and it blew up before Bush got out of town. There is nothing but debt, all the money was blown on houses no one needs.
The WOT will be a positive legacy item... other than the monetary impact on our economy.
The mortgage crisis was an IED on the economy built and ready to go off before he ever took office. He tried to get Congress to address it at least twice. I don't fault Bush for the mortgage industry problems either. TARP is another story
There I will have to disagree, If he would have been honest with the American people about the bubble, he could have warned many and saved a large part of our economy, instead everyone was blindsided.
TARP is another story.
And what can I say, his actions with amnesty and the TARP program will be held against him... forever! What he did with both of these items, including the expansion of the government and unchecked spending, did unconscionable damage to our Republic and our Constitution!
So you say, “deficits dont matter for my spending, but we cant afford yours, even if there are no WMDs like we promised, sorry, get another job..
I didn't say that. If you have to make things up to debate me then you're already losing.
There was NO economic growth! None!
Bull. The economic indicators were way up for quite a while.
It was phony asset bubble of paper values based on foreign debt and printed money. It lured many good people (and bad people) into buying/invested at inflated values they will never see again,...
Lured? If the economic indicators were falsely propped up then the investors were pretty stupid to be investing then weren't they? If you don't know what you're doing then stay out of the kitchen.
And now the government is borrowing/printing trillions more to paper over those losses with a socialistic takeover of our private economy.
Which has nothing to do with the economy and everything to do with scamming the people with false cries of "doom doom doom."
There is nothing but debt, all the money was blown on houses no one needs.
Tell me how Bush had anything to do with the mortgage lending crisis. ??? You really should head back to DU or Al Jazeera or where ever you're getting these Code Pinko talking points.
I was never for "nation building" but I don't see the economic downside, over the long run, to creating more stability in the ME. What is the cost of unchecked terrorism and a world full of rogue regimes?
There I will have to disagree, If he would have been honest with the American people about the bubble, he could have warned many and saved a large part of our economy, instead everyone was blindsided.
I can't argue that Bush didn't use his bully pulpit worth a darned. But is he the only one that should or could have "warned" the American people about the "bubble?" What do they pay those asshats on Wall Street for? Aren't they supposed to know something about economics or something? Don't they call those people "financial advisers?"
There is a much larger list of conservative accomplishments of the Repubs and GWB...you should know, Obama has already reversed about fifty of them.
Government was far from unchecked...porkulus is an example of unchecked government growth and out of control spending. George Bush did not support amnesty, once again, you will get to see true amnesty shortly. The TARP was unfortunate, but we now know of the 550 billion run on American banks...you would have preferred economic chaos?
The GOP didn't throw a "pansy" against Obummer...McCain won the primaries. COnservatives were so divided we couldn't do any better.
Why didn't more conservatives get elected in 2008? Was it because they stood behind the President and his policies? What will you say when we lose even more seats in 2010?
The Buck Stops where? It was his advisers, his pick to the Fed, his pick to the Treasury, His party that refused to act, He was the President and He didn't act until it was way to late... and then He made the decision that might throw our country into full blown socialism if not revolution... TARP
Bush never made that claim...I did. Whether you like it or not, its true.
Obama's policies are different...he is going to build more debt in one year than GWB did in eight....to the average joe, it still won't matter until our debt goes so high, no one will buy bonds or the Dark Prince raises taxes to cover the debt. (I don't think he will, he'll just cut trillions in defense spending).
When the bond bubble bursts, Obama won't have any choice but to print money with no debt instrument to cover it...that's when we will get the hyperinflation.
Once again, the big lie that GWB was an out of control spender does not work with me. Obama is giving you an object lesson in out of control spending.
Another lie....That is an estimate of total obligations for the nation for fifty years in the future....do you really think you can ignore fifty years of government income on this forum and get away with it?
You forgot the Sarc tag... Let me see if I remember his words... I believe it went some thing like this, "We need the Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill passed now, get it to my desk and I will sign it.", He refused to secure the border and god only knows how many terrorists have infiltrated our country...
Why didn't more conservatives get elected in 2008? Was it because they stood behind the President and his policies? What will you say when we lose even more seats in 2010?
With people like you still supporting the GOP, even with the embedded corruption, I fully expect the GOP to take another beating in 2010. Maybe then the message will really get through!
If WE don't stand on principles, morals, values then WE will get exactly what we have been getting... two corrupt party's running a corrupt government that refuses to listen to the people... as I said before we need to get past this "R" and "D" thing and take our Republic back
Bush’s party? The party belongs to the President? And what about Congress? No one there can ring the alarm or act on their own? Did he or did he not tell Congress at least twice that there was a mortgage lending problem and they needed to do something?
Yeah just keep telling yourself that, you would do great both in the last AND the current administration!
Gee, I missed "amnesty" in that statement.
He refused to secure the border
No he didn't, we have nearly 700 miles of fencing thanks to GWB.
as I said before we need to get past this "R" and "D" thing and take our Republic back
Sorry, but unless your talking an armed rebellion, you're still going to have to get enough votes to change things. That means the R and D stuff is damn important.
Out of control does sound like overblown hyperbole to me. There was a Republican majority in Congress so spending certainly was out of control. It was duly debated and enacted into law. I would call the spending ridiculous and socialist in nature and Bush did craft a lot of it.
There is definitely no comparison to what is going on now.
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