Posted on 02/17/2009 3:07:30 AM PST by King of Card Games
How quickly they forget.
All these dupes of the national Republican Party, I mean.
Just a few months ago John McCain was promising a plan that would have created a budget deficit equal to or greater than the one now being created by Barack Obama.
But now that it's Obama who's in the White House, the Beltway Republicans are trying to convince us that they've seen the light and converted to fiscal conservatism.
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That, and the largest tax increase in history, was how Clinton and the beloved "Contract with America" Republicans balanced the budget.
I wasn’t saying tax cuts aren’t good, they just don’t meet what I think of as stimulus. When I think of a stimulant I think of something tangible that someone “injects” into whatever is being stimulated. You don’t really do that with a tax cut; you just cut taxes. It’s a minor distinction of words and it isn’t important to the argument in general.
All I’m saying is I wouldn’t call a bill that proposes a tax cut “stimulus, I’d call it a tax cut. JMO
Bigger than Hoover’s increase from 25% to 63%?
LLS
Spending bills that profess to “stimulate” the economy are just redirecting wealth. Of course, all the money that government spends ends up somewhere in the economy. Even government jobs provide individuals with salaries that end up in the general economy. I don’t see where that spending really stimulates the growth of anything though.
I see your point, I just disagree.
I didn’t say Bush is comparable to Obama, but I sure won’t defend him.
I’d have to look...in adjusted dollar amounts, Clinton’s was far larger, but by a percentage of GDP, I could stand corrected.
Don't be so sure.
McCain Feingold restriction on free speech
McCain Kennedy amnesty for illegal mexicans bill
McCain on tax cuts
1. "I don't think the governor's tax cut is too big -- it's just misplaced. Sixty percent of the benefits from his tax cuts go to the wealthiest 10% of Americans -- and that's not the kind of tax relief that Americans need.... Gov. Bush wants to spend the entire surplus on tax cuts. I don't believe the wealthiest 10% of Americans should get 60% of the tax breaks. I think the lowest 10% should get the breaks.... "I'm not giving tax cuts for the rich."
John McCain sponsored an amendment to S. 1805 on March 2, 2004 that would outlaw the private sale of firearms at gun shows. According to GOA, the provision would effectively eliminate gun shows, because every member of an organization sponsoring a gun show could be imprisoned if the organization fails to notify each and every "person who attends the special firearms event of the requirements [under the Brady Law]."
What more do you need to define evil?
You sure called it....Bush was not a fire breathing, budget cutting, conservative. He didn't run as one and he didn't govern as one.
However, trying to compare spending under GWB (with all the demands he could not control on the Treasury) to Obama and the Dems spending is like comparing a piss ant to an elephant.
There is no comparison, and trying to use his spending to justify Obama's is ridiculous.
***What more do you need to define evil?***
If it’s a Republican, he must be responsible for the second Holocaust.
If it’s a Democrat, all he needs to do is open his mouth.
You sound like democrats that say it was republicans in charge alone 2007-2008. It was Bush-Pelosi budgets of 2007-2008 when the debt really blew up. It was Bush /Pelosi stim/bailouts in 2008 too. Of course the debt increased then, the paper bubble crashed in Bush's last two years in office, I know you wished it waited till after 2008 election sticking the next guy, but it didnt.
You cant really believe that an economy crash in 2007 could be sold as “AAHAH, Democrats just took the congress and the economy crashed, it's all on their watch!” would sell. It's insane talk like that that makes Ron Paul look attractive.
Once again there was NO growth, just debt. Bush sold “debt is meaningless “ to the country to get what he wanted and that got us here trillions in debt and democrats with a blank check to blame on republicans.
Come to think of it...didn’t Wilson introduce the Federal Income Tax?
That would probably count as the largest.
Democrats care, they just think Marxism and their complete power is true compassion. Just like Hugo Chavis.
The 16th Amendment was passed under Wilson and supported by all 3 candidates of that election season. The income was first implemented under Lincoln and (along with the draft) caused riots.
The initial tax under the 16th Amendment consisted of (I believe, but I could be wrong) 2 brackets taxed progressively at 1% (lower income) and 7% (higher income). I don’t remember what the tax was under Lincoln, but I’m sure you can look it up.
Bush vetoed several spending bills 2007-2008 and was overridden.
All bets were off when Pelosi took over the house. They added pork to everything including funding for the troops...something GWB could not stop. With the Dems in control, the rampant speculation in energy cost began..another nail in our economic coffin the President could not prevent.
Don’t act like there was no consequence for putting the Dems in control of Congress.
You can’t deny the growth in our GDP under Bush, whether the housing crash put us into a recession or not. No matter how many times you say it, it will never be true.
"Our country does not need just another spending bill, particularly not one that will load future generations with the burden of massive debt. We need a short term stimulus bill that will directly help people, create jobs, and provide a jolt to our economy." U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Az., 2009-02-03
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2177499/posts
The Senate has killed an alternative economic stimulus plan by Sen. John McCain that would have cut income and payroll taxes but spent far less than President Obama's plan. The party-line 57-40 vote against McCain's $421 billion plan came Thursday... (AP, 2009-02-05)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2179271/posts
One would hope that it would be painfully obvious to Freepers by now that McCain's grandstanding against porkulus was, and still is, only smoke and mirrors. More precisely, McCain is not opposed to a "stimulus" (that would include increased Government spending and regulation, as well as "targeted" and temporary tax cuts) per se; it is highly likely that his opposition to the Obama-Pelosi-Reid porkulus bill stems from McCain's shock at being excluded by the Democrats now that he is no longer useful as their implement to thwart small-r republican goals, including the definite limitation and reduction of Big Government. In fact, McCain himself proposed a $421 billion "alternative" that included temporary (one year) tax cuts, notably a payroll tax credit and rate reductions in the two lowest federal income tax brackets, as well as significant increases in federal spending. McCain's so-called "tax cuts" would have expired, and since his bill did nothing to make permanent the Bush tax cuts, it would have resulted in de facto tax increases over the next two years.
In other words, McCain and his fellow RINOs carried on the same "strategery" that has cost the Republicans dearly in the two most recent federal elections. Their modus operandi involves simply moderating the Democrats' positions rather than standing up for what were once the Republican Party's core beliefsexemplified by Ronald Reagan's timeless words: "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."
Just because a bill is less "Socialist" than its counterpart Democrat proposal doesn't mean it's not at all "Socialist." And frankly, McCain's bill would still have served to drive the continued expansion of Government into the lives of ordinary Americans.
If you think McCain and his cadre of Democrat Lite RINOs have learned their lesson, I would suggest that you put down the Kool-Aid and think again.
Good thinking, blame the most conservative out there for Bush's utter, complete disaster...As the Republican party ran another open borders socialist...That idiot gets beat like a drum, due to Bush tainting the entire political landscape.
You apparent filed to notice that most Americans that are still capable of critical thought, got a belly full of the Bush BS for the past 8 years.
We still ended up with a “stimulus” bill twice the size of McCain’s grandest dreams directed to the worst liberal programs. McCain’s proposal wasn’t right, but it would have been far less damaging than Porkulus.
Please quit justifying Porkulus because the Republicans might have done something in the same vein only much smaller.
By the way, Ronaldo Maximus gave up on cutting government’s size. He had to compromise with the Dems to preserve his buildup of the armed forces...much like GWB.
There are people who just can’t help making foolish statements.
Bwahahahahahaha!!!! Most Americans just voted to put Obama and his henchmen in control.
Never has this nation been more stupid, "conservatives" included.
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