States’ Rights and the Growing Rebellion – A Status Report

Family Security Matters ^ | February 16, 2009 | Paul Hollrah

[bill1952]

What, send in the FBI? Arrest the governor?

Are you kidding? they are very likely to send in the various state guard units and or the federal police to do exactly that.

I see no obstacle to them killing anyone that they want to further their agenda for change unless a major armed rebellion is enabled at both the popular and executive levels - and many people are ready to die for that ideal.

Do I believe that there are such organized folks and determination? - No.

They will find you and kill you
Ruby Ridge
Waco
Gonzales

bow to your masters

[bamahead]

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[bill1952]

States call up their National G..

LOL! The national government controls the National Guard and the various units and member swear allegiance to the President himself, then the state.

The governor calls up units in the event of an natural emergency, not to foment rebellion against the Feds.

Personally, I would like to see even one state actually do that so that I could go and join.

[ForGod'sSake]

My stinking heroes! What a joke.

Yeah well, better late than never???

[A Strict Constructionist]

“Here in Florida, we need to rid ourselves of RINO Gov. Crist, then we can start the “tell DC where to go” process.”

I was watching a National Geographic special on alligators on Sanibel Island...have you thought about sending him there for a vacation. You might get lucky.

[JSDude1]

..they’re not to be talked about.

Some are patriotic americans willing to defend their neighbors and family, and communites, but a small minority others..

[djsherin]

I really really really hope they actually go somewhere with this.

I think though they may be just using this for “extreme cases” rather than any time the federal government oversteps it’s constitutionally delegated powers. I’d like to see FEDERAL minimum wage laws and regulations overturned (in addition to about a thousand other things); let the states decide themselves. Hopefully the States have the balls to stand up to the feds and refuse to be told what to do, even in the most seemingly insignificant cases.

[ForGod'sSake]

However, it is good to see the States finally waking up. Now, its time to exert more backbone and leadership...and author and pass some BILLS like Montana.

It is indeed good to see the states shuffling around the outhouse looking for their shovels. Cleaning up this mess ain't gonna be pretty and there will be a lot of stink raised up to boot.

[ForGod'sSake]

I’ve already suggested this to State Senate President Atwater.

THAT'S what I'm talkin bout! Thank you hillary.

[roses of sharon]

Nullification

Nullification is a constitutional theory that gives an individual state the right to declare null and void any law passed by the United States Congress which the state deems unacceptable and unconstitutional. The concept is most well-known in the context of the sectionalist crisis that plagued the Union in the 40 years preceding the Civil War.
The origins of nullification are found in the Federalist-Republican debate of the late 1700s. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson in the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions (1798) declared that the states had the right to nullify laws by which the federal government overstepped its limits of jurisprudence. When the Republicans gained the presidency in the “revolution of 1800,” nullification became moot.

The “tariff of abominations” of 1828 revived the issue. By this time in the United States, the North had become economically dominant due to manufacturing, and the South was beginning to suffer from exhausted land. The government enacted tariffs on foreign manufactures to protect Northern business, which raised the price of goods to be sold throughout the US. South Carolinians in particular were upset by their inability to afford these goods which the South could not produce. South Carolina threatened to secede from the Union.

John Calhoun, then Vice-President in the Jackson administration, promoted nullification as a moderate alternative to secession. A state would be able to nullify a federal law and exist as part of the Union unless three-fourths of the states passed the law as a constitutional amendment. In that case, the state would secede from the Union. Calhoun’s theory of “concurrent majority” essentially gave each regional interest an absolute veto.

Calhoun wanted to preserve the Union and intended to use the threat of nullification simply to force the federal government to reduce tariff rates, but the 1830 Webster-Hayne debate in Congress divided the nation over nullification. A North versus West controversy about public lands in the frontier turned into a Southern and Western ideological struggle against Northeastern “tyranny.”

President Jackson considered nullification to be treasonous. Jackson stated his view with the following toast at a Democratic Party banquet: “Our Federal Union-it must be preserved.” John Calhoun responded: “The Union-next to our liberty most dear.” Calhoun would resign as Vice-President and accept a Congressional seat from South Carolina.

In 1833, Congress passed a “force bill” which authorized Jackson to use violence to preserve the Union. A compromise on the tariff issue offered by Senator Henry Clay was passed in 1842, which gradually reduced rates to the 1816 level. Thirty years later in the Civil War (1861-1865), after the secession crisis was heightened by the slavery issue, violence would finally settle the matter of nullification.

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[djsherin]

Of course not. It’s a shame but Republicans are hardly blameless when it comes to unconstitutional behavior. The little stuff counts too.

[Poser]

New Hampshire House Resolution 6 still appears to be dead in committee.

[ForGod'sSake]

So, how many on your ping list have written their STATE legislators encouraging these resolutions?

Yes indeedy! We should be burning up the phone lines to our state capitols. My own state of Texas just formally began their current session today. I WILL be on the phones over ther next few days sharing the gospel. Count on it!

[daylilly]

The legislation in Arizona specifically addresses the point you made about the governor, the national guard, etc. IIRC it said that all Arizona troops should return to Arizona and be under the direction of the governor, which I believe includes the police, the national guard, etc.
They’re thinking about it anyway.
MS had something about the feds couldn’t disarm the citizens during martial law.
Arizona & New Hampshire both said the president would not be president legitimately if he tried some things they specifically talked about. As in the military and police etc could not legitimately obey the president.
Who among these men would swear allegiance to the president if it meant harming family and friends, people in your home state?
This stuff could get exceedingly ugly. I prefer to be hopeful. Most of them address the issue of martial law.

[MrB]

The Arizona Resolution is the best I've read so far.

[ForGod'sSake]

Done, thanks for the interest in what may be our last and best hope of putting the federal leviathan back in its chains. God help us!

[ForGod'sSake]

Bump that!

[djsherin]

***As in the military and police etc could not legitimately obey the president.
Who among these men would swear allegiance to the president if it meant harming family and friends, people in your home state?***

The military takes an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. If the president violates the Constitution, it should be the soldiers’ job to refuse to enforce his orders.

[ForGod'sSake]

Is it time for “Yee Haw” yet?

Well, not really but I could use the practice... Ahem...

That felt good.

[Forward the Light Brigade]

Things get much worse and we will see the Bonnie Blue Flag flying again. If one sate goes out—not much of a problem but what if a whole section of the nation? What if they form a new government? Sectionalism could be in the future if the National Government heads down a socialist path or starts to bend or ignore the Constitution.