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To: jtom36

“Our ‘defining principles’ can only be taught in a ‘basic training’ type school. — Every 18 year old should be required to attend a constitutional boot camp before they are franchised to vote. —
— No service, - No vote.”

-I agree with this and have been saying this for a long time. Citizenship should be just as hard or harder to get than a driver’s license. Also, if you don’t pay any taxes, you don’t get the right to vote. You have to have skin in the game. Voting to limit another person’s rights when you have nothing at risk is another form of tyranny.


28 posted on 02/16/2009 11:19:24 AM PST by johnnycap
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To: johnnycap
-I agree with this and have been saying this for a long time. Citizenship should be just as hard or harder to get than a driver’s license. Also, if you don’t pay any taxes, you don’t get the right to vote. You have to have skin in the game. Voting to limit another person’s rights when you have nothing at risk is another form of tyranny.

Disagree.

If you want to change the rules - change the Constitution via the constitutionally required process. Otherwise, please don't advocate for a buearacracy to decide what counts or doesn't count for boot camp, or passing.

Your position assumes that tax burden implies a right to vote. Should corporations have the right to vote based on their tax burden to the government? If not, why not under your plan? How about a disabled veteran? If they can no longer earn and therefore pay taxes, should they not have the right to vote. What amount of tax is adequate? Can my 7 year old vote since they pay sales tax on items I make them buy for themselves?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I think you are missing your own point, and one that you have very insightfully noted:

Voting to limit another person’s rights when you have nothing at risk is another form of tyranny.

That is the issue, and you are 100% correct in my opionion. But the issue here isn't necessarily the voter in my onion, it is the actions of the representative who won the vote that is of issue.

They have for far too long limited "another persons rights" whther that be through the lack of due process in the tidal wave of administrative rules forced upon citizens, or taking their money by force through taxes.

The erosion of the rule of law, and in some cases the outright abuse of it, is the underlying problem. IMHO

44 posted on 02/16/2009 12:43:51 PM PST by !1776!
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To: johnnycap
“Our ‘defining principles’ can only be taught in a ‘basic training’ type school. — Every 18 year old should be required to attend a constitutional boot camp before they are franchised to vote. — — No service, - No vote.”

-I agree with this and have been saying this for a long time. Citizenship should be just as hard or harder to get than a driver’s license.

Citizenship is entirely different than voting, imo. Voting is a privilege accorded to citizens in good standing.. And if a citizen is too stupid to understand the principles of our constitution, and honor/defend them, -- no vote.

Also, if you don’t pay any taxes, you don’t get the right to vote.

Bad way to qualify.. Far too many honorable people pay no taxes..

You have to have skin in the game. Voting to limit another person’s rights when you have nothing at risk is another form of tyranny.

Voting to limit another person’s rights is a violation of the 14th amendment. Limitations on another person’s rights can only be placed by due process of [criminal] law.

59 posted on 02/17/2009 12:37:50 PM PST by jtom36
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