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To: Velveeta

There is a LOT to this that does NOT pass the smell test.

I used to be totally against conspiracies but I am beginning to wonder more and more as to how much of the news we hear is the cover story.

(Tinfoil hat alert) If I go into full conspiracy mode right now, I think that the French and British subs were participating JOINTLY against a common threat (Chinese subs in the Altantic?) and this is the result of that interaction.

The question is if this is what happened to the British and French boats what do you think happened to the oppposing boat.

BTW, for all that do not know, the Vanguard class of subs that the Brits have are the third largest subs (by displacement) ever made after the Soviet Typhoons and the Yankee Ohio class subs


54 posted on 02/15/2009 5:30:04 PM PST by SoftwareEngineer
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To: SoftwareEngineer
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SWE,

Good post ... the Brit sub was a boomer (missile boat) ... and possibly the "bait" if they suspected that a ChiCom or Soviet attack-class was trying to follow them ...

Then ... the French boat was assigned to follow and track the enemy sub ...

On the other hand ... not to sound corny ... but perhaps the Brit (boomer) was trying a Mad Ivan on the French boat ... in some kind of war game exercise ... and things got too close and they collided ...

However, I suspect that most of the story's details are highly classified at this point, and even publicly released "damage accounts" are ficticious ... which renders "any" civilian analysis an almost complete waste of time ...


Patton-at-Bastogne


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74 posted on 02/15/2009 5:40:45 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Angels and Ministers of Grace, Defend Us ....)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
...If I go into full conspiracy mode right now, I think that the French and British subs were participating JOINTLY against a common threat (Chinese subs in the Altantic?) and this is the result of that interaction.

The question is if this is what happened to the British and French boats what do you think happened to the oppposing boat.

I think "Chicken of the Sea" is played underwater by bumping the other guys to make them back off.

Could have been they were working together to bump a Commie sub or even each of them a different Commie sub and came up with the story that the British and French subs bunped each other by accident...

78 posted on 02/15/2009 5:43:33 PM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (The light at the end of the tunnel might be an oncoming train...)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
(Tinfoil hat alert) If I go into full conspiracy mode right now, I think that the French and British subs were participating JOINTLY against a common threat (Chinese subs in the Altantic?) and this is the result of that interaction.

The question is if this is what happened to the British and French boats what do you think happened to the oppposing boat.

Although it's *possible* that the French and the Brits were engaged in a common action, I believe that to be a remote possibility. Both of these subs are missile boats - their usual mission is one of maximum stealth, not defensive interdiction. The U.K. and France both have Fast Attack boats for those purposes.

This sounds more like a Charlie Foxtrot at the E.U. level - with both boats being tasked to arrive at the same coordinates, at the same time (but no word of the other boat's presence transmitted to either captain). Something of that sort had to have increased the odds of those subs trading paint in the middle of the Atlantic.

91 posted on 02/15/2009 6:06:14 PM PST by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Yes, I think there’s more to the story.


94 posted on 02/15/2009 6:12:02 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: SoftwareEngineer
I think that the French and British subs were participating JOINTLY against a common threat (Chinese subs in the Altantic?) and this is the result of that interaction.

My first thought as well. But given that *both* are boomers, I sort of doubt it. They only operate with other subs if those others are attack subs and are guarding them.

126 posted on 02/15/2009 8:22:43 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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