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To: TheCipher

It may be easier for a DA to get a subpoena issued but first someone has to bring a complaint for fraud and they have to be willing to prosecute it. I don’t know why one hasn’t . Maybe someone has brought a complaint and it is working its way through the channels. Having said that, DA’s and Attorney Generals are all political creatures. Maybe they have reasons of their own not to do anything.
But you are off point of the first reason I answered you . You said :

I refuse to take any of the lawsuits seriously until someone at least TRIES to subpoena the document in question. Thus far no one has and therefore all these nuisance lawsuits will continue to get thrown out of court, as well they should

None of these lawsuits are criminal matters, so you were referring to the civil cases.When I called you out on it and pointed out that at least one of the civil cases has tried to subpoena the BC, you try to change the subject and start talking about criminal cases. Now since someone in the civil cases did try to subpoena the BC, will you stand by your word and take the cases seriously since someone has tried to subpoena the BC ?


Yes I stand by my statement. My basic point is that crinimal is more serious than civil. What do you think a criminal investigation with a convened Grand Jury would have done to Obama’s election chances during the campaign?

Thus far all the civil actions are (in my humble opinion) nusiance suits that have been disposed of all the way to the US Supreme Court without comment by the Justices.
A serious legal action will be a criminal investigation for forgery and/or document fraud and it will be brought by any prosecuting attorney in the nation where Obama’s name appeared on a ballot and it will seek a subpoena for Obama’s long form, vault copy Certificate of Birth.
Thus far I count 15 civil actions brought and 15 civil actions have failed. When you’re 0 for 15, it might be time to consider a different legal strategy or at the very least ADD criminal investigations to the civil actions.
Look at how long it took to impeach and remove Rod Blagojevich without even as much as a criminal trial or conviction, just on the basis of a prosecuting attorney releasing corroborated testimony to the public. People take criminal matters much more seriously.


190 posted on 02/18/2009 8:41:10 AM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
15 civil actions haven't failed. Most have them have not even been brought to trial yet. The first one , the Berg case, was remanded back to the lower court. It is still in play. None of these cases have even been heard on the merits yet.

Yes, it was easy to remove Blago with the prosecuters releasing corroborating testimony to the public. The problem in this case is any bit of corroborating evidence ( school records, Selective service registration, etc. ) he refuses to have released to the public. He won't even allow the verification of the index records ( which is just a "yes" or "no" answer )to the info in the fields of his BC. Don't you find anything odd with that ?

Yes, people take criminal matters more seriously. If one of the cases suceeds in producing a BC and it does not match what he has posted online, you can bet there will be criminal complaints brought by people for fraud.

191 posted on 02/18/2009 9:01:10 AM PST by TheCipher
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