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To: Red Steel
The phrase, "subject to its jurisdiction" was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.

The proposition before us [the citizenship clause of the Fourteenth Amendment], I will say, Mr. President, relates simply in that respect to the children begotten of Chinese [immigrant] parents in California, and it is proposed to declare that they shall be citizens. We have declared that by law [Civil Rights Act of 1866]; now it is proposed to incorporate the same provision in the fundamental instrument of the nation.



397 posted on 02/15/2009 8:57:05 PM PST by Michael Michael
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To: Michael Michael
And what Cyropaedia told you about the intent and meaning of the words in the 14th Amendment:

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"Sorry, but it says born within the United States and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Here's what Sen. Trumball said to Sen Howard :

The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.

Howard agreed. Trumball also said,

“It is only those persons who come completely within our jurisdiction, who are subject to our laws, that we think of making citizens…”

The "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means only those that fell completely within the jurisdiction of the United States. Not "owing allegiance to anyone else" applies to native Americans as well foreigners from other countries.

During the debate over the Naturalization Act of 1870, there were Representatives that argued that the 14th Amendment did provide foreigners a de-facto right to obtain citizenship. This contention was not disputed."

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You couple what was said by Senators Howard and Trumbull, along with what SCOTUS said in the Slaughterhouse cases that I showed you, not to leave out what Senator Bingham's said about it, you are clearly wrong.

403 posted on 02/15/2009 9:16:20 PM PST by Red Steel
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