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Sums up your case nicely. You don’t care that the presidency has probably been usurped by a lying marxist.

I absolutely do care about the usurpation of the office of President. However I haven't seen any credible evidence that such a usurpation has taken place. All I have seen has been what amounts to a bunch of chimpanzees jumping up and down screeching and flailing their arms.

We do. We plan to do all that we can to prove it and protect the constitution.

Great. Then prove it. In the meantime, jumping up and down screeching and flailing your arms doesn't constitute proof.

This has to be the most specious and bankrupt of all your arguements. He isn’t a private citizen.

He has every right to privacy that every other citizen of the United States has.

All detective or police work involves a certain amount of speculation. By your twisted lights, no arrests could be made unless the arresting agencies had PROOF that the perp did it.

By your logic, we live in a police state.

Sure, detective or police work involves a certain amount of speculation. But people aren't arrested in this country based on mere suspicion. That's for communist police states. Is that what you're advocating?

In this country, mere speculation means nothing. To make an arrest, you must first have some credible evidence which forms the foundation of probable cause, which is what is required to make an arrest in THIS country.

People with your attitude, employing sophistry and the law, will be the death of this republic.

Sophistry and the law? No. It is the very foundation of this republic.

“Sure, detective or police work involves a certain amount of speculation. But people aren’t arrested in this country based on mere suspicion. That’s for communist police states. Is that what you’re advocating?”

No I’m not advocating that we arrest him YET. That will come after we prove he knowingly defrauded the public and file the appropriate criminal charges. Right now this is a political/civil matter to determine his NBC status, using the normal tools of civil procedure such as motions, supoenae, and summonses. His Nixonesque stonewalling creates problems, but the truth will out, even as trolls like you seek to obstruct its’ unveiling. Kinda like in the early stages of Watergate.

That you would disregard the facts of this case such as a school registration document in a foreign country, created in the 1980s long before he runs for president listing him as Barry Soetero, religion: Muslim, and an Indonesian citizen as not rising to the level of probable cause is beyond me. But since you wish to disregard all the adverse facts in this case to protect this crook, I guess it really is NOT surprising.

“Sophistry and the law? No. It is the very foundation of this republic.”

From Merriam Webster’s Dictionary sophistry: subtly deceptive reasoning or argument

This republic was founded on the priciples of Federalism, enumerated powers, individual rights, respect for private property, and the rule of law. You reveal your contempt for that as does Hussein. You are definitely a sophist, save your lack of subtlety.

All I have seen has been what amounts to a bunch of chimpanzees jumping up and down screeching and flailing their arms.

You're wasting you time with this troll DMZ. That statement proves he is an unhinged liberal who would scream if anyone referred to Obama as a chimpanzee.

I have been reading your exchanges and you two may disagree, but DMZFrank is presenting his arguments reasonably, as an adult, while Michael Michael resorts to childish personal attacks.