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To: Michael Michael

“But it really doesn’t matter, because ALL CITIZENSHIP of the United States is defined by the Fourteenth Amendment.”

The XIV amendment sets the minimum standard for all citzens so that their baseline citizenship rights may not be abridged within the borders of any state, and too ensure the equal protection of the law. It specifies two classes of citizens, “naturalized” and “citzens.’

Nothing therin modified the distiction of “natural born” or the Artice II, Section 1 clause 5 qualifications to be “natural born.”

I think that even you would concede that the class of citizen called “native born” in the Kim Wong Ark decision or a “naturalized” citizen is not constitutionally eligible for POTUS.


292 posted on 02/14/2009 10:28:47 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: DMZFrank
The XIV amendment sets the minimum standard for all citzens so that their baseline citizenship rights may not be abridged within the borders of any state, and too ensure the equal protection of the law. It specifies two classes of citizens, “naturalized” and “citzens.’

No, it does not. The Fourteenth Amendment establishes the ONLY citizenship that exists in the United States. If you are not a citizen under the Fourteenth Amendment, you're not a citizen at all. Period.

Nothing therin modified the distiction of “natural born” or the Artice II, Section 1 clause 5 qualifications to be “natural born.”

Article II is not and never was any sort of ESTABLISHMENT of citizenship. It only made reference to citizenship by birth. And Congress had absolutely no power whatsoever to declare or define who was a citizen by birth. That was left entirely up to the states. It wasn't until the Fourteenth Amendment that citizenship by birth was defined by the federal government.

Oh yeah, and you know that guy Bingham you keep talking about? You know WHY he's considered the "father of the Fourteenth Amendment"? Because he's the one who argued that the Civil Rights Act of 1866 (which everyone quotes him talking about), WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

Why? Because, he argued, Congress had no constitutional authority to declare who was a citizen by birth. And that the only way for Congress to have any say over who was a citizen by birth was by amending the Constitution.

I think that even you would concede that the class of citizen called “native born” in the Kim Wong Ark decision or a “naturalized” citizen is not constitutionally eligible for POTUS.

"Native born" and "natural born" are used interchangeably in Ark. However I will certainly concede that a naturalized citizen is not constitutionally eligible to hold the office of President. That's because a naturalized citizen is not a citizen by birth.


294 posted on 02/14/2009 11:00:36 PM PST by Michael Michael
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