Posted on 02/12/2009 5:11:02 PM PST by Delacon
The “rush” that hurts us all is — not Rush Limbaugh — but rushing into a massive almost-$800 billion spending bill without the proper hearings, time to consider and debate.
Yes, the so-called stimulus is almost the law of the land. But that does not make it the best possible stimulus bill to help revive a sick economy.
In fact this is the third time in the past 6½ years that a president — twice G.W. Bush and now Barack Obama — basically has held a gun to Congress’ head and forced it to short-circuit its normal way of doing legislative business, a “way” that has served our nation well for over 200 years.
But in the 2002 vote to authorize the use of force in Iraq, the September/October 2008 TARP votes, and now this massive stimulus spending bill, Congress has been “rushed” into making fork-in-the-road decisions that will affect the country for decades to come.
Mistakes are made in this situation. No members of either the House or Senate have yet read this huge 1,000-page-plus bill; nor will they before they vote on it. Hand-written additions of huge consequence will be sneaked in - and few if any members will even know about them until it is too late.
Now, the basic thought behind this Democratic-written bill is simple: Democrats and liberals believe that any and all government spending is a good thing, no matter what it is spent on. The left loves government spending - on everything!
They truly believe that, the more government spends, the more it gins up economic activity. Thus they blatantly put all those pork elements in there because they believed even those wasteful, ridiculous items will help spur a sick economy. They are the true practitioners of
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And here I've been thinking all this time that Congress was a separate branch of government. I thought guns were BANNED in D.C???
Well, If thats the case, we can take over the demons party.
“I agree with much of what you say in this post (without the various insults/insinuations of the last post, which really weren’t necessary, read my post history from that time period).”
I appologize if I went beyond the level that I thought you established.
“I agree that despite a full-court media press, this and the bailout last year are very unpopular (with very good reason, particularly this one) and are going to become law anyway. This is the looting of the US treasury happening before our eyes.”
Agreed.
“It is remarkable that amnesty did NOT pass - I think opposition to it was a large majority % of the voting population, yet they nearly pulled it off. No doubt it will become law at some point soon.”
What is remarkable is that so many think that amnesty is inevitable considering the large majority of the voting population being against it. Why is it that conservatives look at a victory as an “almost lost”. No doubt its because conservatives will continue to follow republicans instead of the other way around.
“The public mood after 9/11/01 was understandably scared/very insistent that the government DO something. They could have passed a patriot act which changed the national mascot to mickey mouse and it still would have had decent public support, as long as it promised to make people safe.”
So condescending and insulting. Why dontcha just pat me on the head. My life experience has shown me that when somebody shoves me, I have to shove back. And when I do, safety doesnt enter into it. Control of my life happens first and safety follows.
“I hope I have explained my point. When the public is genuinely scared and angry and physically threatened, you can pass anything you want in the name of security (or whatever watchword is needed. That doesn’t mean it is good to simply pass a bill with no amendment or debate or even discussion.”
You must understand that being genuiently scared, angry and or physically threatend doesnt mean that you are less capable of thinking reasonably or logicly. In fact it clarifies the mind when you are in such situations. The words you want to use are fearful and panic. Scared? Yes. Angry? Yes. Fearful? NO. Ready to panic? Only if liberals continue to run the country.
short version - how much debate on the patriot act? How long was it?
“So condescending and insulting”
the country just elected a guy with almost no public history. What do you think is appropriate in the context your comment was made?
“You must understand that being genuiently scared, angry and or physically threatend doesnt mean that you are less capable of thinking reasonably or logicly. In fact it clarifies the mind when you are in such situations”
were YOU voting on the bill? did YOU read in, in its entirety? Every page? Paragraphs annotated?
This isn’t you being scared and threatened, and then you crafting an appropriate threat-reponse behavior. This is mr. i am a corrupt congressman and they say vote yes voting yes. Not the same. Do you think they are the same?
Congressmen as a class had no clue on this one. They have no clue as a class on porkulus.
“Why is it that conservatives look at a victory as an “almost lost”. No doubt its because conservatives will continue to follow republicans instead of the other way around.”
My honest view - the major media DO control the debate 0 at least as long as the bulk of the population can buy food without complications. Until we are there, the MSM defines many terms of debate/discussion, and we really are screwed. The media must decisively influence >30% of the population in their vote. That is a horrid number. It is doom for the american republic.
Also, when the enemy can set votes on a policy repeatedly with impunity, it is an issue.
“I appologize if I went beyond the level that I thought you established.”
Are we still here on this? Examples of your comments and mine, side-by-side? I know I did not call you a terrorist sympathizer, so let’s see it. Quotes and links?
Yeah, I hate that one too. I know better, my fingers got ahead of my thoughts :)
You took a position. You hopped on this thread to attack the Patriot Act. Then I went on to defend it. You were condescending and wrote paragraphs to tell not only me but how everyone should feel and react.
|You took a position. You hopped on this thread to attack the Patriot Act. Then I went on to defend it. You were condescending and wrote paragraphs to tell not only me but how everyone should feel and react.”
You have issues, and I am done with you.
Democrats can’t destroy the GOP. This month’s unconstitutional stimulus bill will cause more Republicans to became involved in campaigns. In 2010, conservative candidates, for the U.S. Senate and House, should campaign together, similarly to the Contract with America. They should promise that, if Republicans regain control of both houses of Congress, they’ll pass a set of about five bills, including cutting tax rates to the 1988 rates, obeying the 10th Amendment (which includes repealing all federal laws that mention abortion and spending that isn’t mentioned in the Constitution), and building a brick wall along the Mexican border.
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