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To: Freeport
One relatively puny satellite slamming into another relatively puny satellite while zipping around the earth in orbit is akin to a high-powered bullet accidentially slamming into another high-powered bullet.

So what are the odds of that happening accidentally?

5 posted on 02/12/2009 5:45:50 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
"So what are the odds of that happening accidentally?"

With a long enough time line, the odds of anything/everything happening become 1 to 1 - given the amount of junk in low earth orbit, this was just an event waiting to happen.
9 posted on 02/12/2009 5:48:58 AM PST by The Louiswu (I Hope Obama Fails!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

That’s why I asked the question. But if the Iridium controllers still had control of their craft up until the impact, and they new the encounter would be close, then they could have maneuvered the satellite to a different orbit until the cosmos went by.

Since they are going to shift a spare into position, the satellites in the system clearly has sufficient orbital change capability to get out of the way of a wayward object if it’s known in advance that it’s going to come close.

Someone in the observation community dropped the ball on this one.


11 posted on 02/12/2009 5:50:30 AM PST by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

The rumors on one of the tech news aggregators was that the Rusians deliberately sabotaged the Iridium satellite that was in the process of transferring voice files to “official” circles in the US.

Iridium, after the collapse of its mobile technology and defeat by GSM, was bailed out by the Feds and increasinly does a lot of its work for the US Govt.


20 posted on 02/12/2009 5:57:05 AM PST by indcons (An eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Go to the Gettysburg battlefield and there are several musket balls that collided, on display.

Given that it can happen, I share your pessimism that it did happen accidentally, especially in consideration of Russia's new belligerence and their use of cyber attacks against Georgia.

24 posted on 02/12/2009 6:08:15 AM PST by pfflier
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
“One relatively puny satellite slamming into another relatively puny satellite while zipping around the earth in orbit is akin to a high-powered bullet accidentially slamming into another high-powered bullet.So what are the odds of that happening accidentally?”

It's getting very crowded up there. Here's a graphic that shows just how crowded.

http://www.thetech.org/exhibits/online/satellite/4/4a/4a.1.html

29 posted on 02/12/2009 6:24:52 AM PST by monday
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner; The Louiswu; Freeport; indcons; pfflier; monday
I don't think anyone can say conclusively what the chances of an accidental collision are. There were two known incidents of tracked, (or cataloged) space objects colliding, both involving space junk.

Space Command publishes all known close approaches of unclassified payloads of any kind by any user and all known unclassified objects about a week in advance. (Debris/debris close approaches are ignored.) This gives operators of payloads an opportunity to maneuver to a safer orbit. These predictions are predicated on the assumption that the cataloged objects do not maneuver.

Iridium is a marginally economical operation, living off a Pentagon subsidy in exchange for affording the U.S. military additional capacity. Since Iridium can maneuver, it's failure to do so indicates that the operators did not anticipate any hazard.

Given that the Iridium had a small, but not zero value, to the U.S. military and the “defunct” satellite was Russian, the circumstances are suspect. It should be possible to scrub observations of both vehicles to see if they are even remotely consistent with the hypothesis of an accidental collision. I'll take a wait and see attitude on that.

One cannot completely dismiss the possibility that the defunct Russian vehicle impacted a cataloged or uncataloged debris sometime after the last published predictions and was nudged into the Iridium, but I, for one, see this as very, very unlikely. In the “OJ was framed by racist cops” level of plausibility.

89 posted on 02/14/2009 7:01:42 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The death cult wants death, the Israelis want peace. I, for one, see only one solution.)
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