Hundreds Beaten, Whipped, Choked By Teachers, Coaches (Chicago Schools Under Obama's Ed. Sec.)

CBS 2 Chicago ^ | Wednesday, February 11, 2009 | Dave Savini

[XR7]

Hundreds Beaten, Whipped, Choked By Teachers, Coaches (Chicago Schools Under Obama's Ed. Sec.)

The Annenberg Challenge.

from A Kind and Just Parent, by William Ayers

[BAW]

Arne Duncan, now Secretary of Education in the Obama administration, was chosed for this position based on his performance while Chief Executive Officer of the Chigaco Public Schools. Duncan was CEO of Chicago Public Schools since 2001.

[easternsky]

When our Daughters were in public school they sent a paper home for us to sign as to whether they could apply corporal punishment. We gladly signed it and they knew if they got it there they would also receive it again at home. On occasion to speak to the principal and this paper came up He said its very surprising the parents who send this back signed we never have a bit of trouble with their children. Its the ones who refuse to sign it and call with a threat, those are the children we have the problem with. I am thankful our grandchildren are home schooled and not in this evil enviorment.

[SuperLuminal]

Love it!

Raises two possibilities (at least):

• Probably just shows that these children were raised in loving caring environments to believe in personal responsibility and good manors and the government's indoctrination pros have to beat that evil crap out of them; or,

• Probably just shows that these children were raised in the Chicago marxist-controlled environment of hate and loathing for white people, the U.S., Christians, capitalism, and the former Constitution and have become so animal-like that even the government's indoctrination pros have to beat reinforcement crap into them.

[aruanan]

Hundreds Beaten, Whipped, Choked By Teachers, Coaches (Chicago Schools Under Obama's Ed. Sec.)

I've been quite close to goings-on in the CPS for years and I haven't heard anything like this.

[SampleMan]

Regardless of which, I will discipline my own child thank you very much.

I believe that is the current discipline plan in place throughout the public school system, which is giving us such wonderful results.

Paddling was the rule when I was in school and I remember it having a wonderful deterrent effect. I thought it quite gentlemanly that the principal didn't send a note home to dad after the paddling, as things had already been settled.

[MWestMom]

“That said, $160K isn’t enough to get me in a public high school classroom.”

Amen!

[jurroppi1]

I would tend to agree, but it’s the parents that should be responsible for meting out punishment (especially corporal punishment) in rearing children.

Of course there are many parents that are either absent through their own will or that of intrusive government and ex partner interference so this issue will always exist. I think what is needed is stricter adherence to requirement of parents right and the need for them to actually rear their children.

I stand by what I said - any adult trying to physically deter my child from anything better beware the Pandora’s box of rage they will unleash from me.

[SampleMan]

I stand by what I said - any adult trying to physically deter my child from anything better beware the Pandora’s box of rage they will unleash from me.

And what would you have that adult do when someone else's child is assaulting your child and refuses to take a time out?

[jurroppi1]

that’s a good question with an easy solution... Deal with the parents directly (and forcefully if need be). I personally don’t care who is deterring whom from what (within reason), but there are exceptions to all rules.

If a child is physically assaulting another child, they should both be restrained to eliminate further physical harm, not beaten (choked or thrown down stairs is way over the line) to come into compliance. So yes, my choice of words was poor. I’d expect that any reasonable adult could reasonably restrain almost any child that they outweigh by 100 pounds pretty handily. There are exceptions to that rule and there are children that don’t fit that mold either. Violence of this degree from a teacher should be the absolute last resort (especially when there are most likely several other capable adults in the near vicinity).

If my child is anywhere near as much trouble as I was in school (I highly doubt she will ever be as rascally or wise-assed as me), there will still be no excuse for anyone to restrain her, let alone physically assault her to get her attention or to fall back in line.

Hence my statement, I will dust anyone, and I do mean anyone who messes with my little girl trying to deter her from anything because I know I will teach her right from wrong and that she will act accordingly (I’m no novice at this stuff).

It’s been my experience that most school officials severely overreact to most issues and place blame squarely where it isn’t deserved in many cases. My trust in them is extremely low and my trust in me and my ability to guide my children properly is far greater.

Call me a cynic, but I’ve been the object of way too many witch hunts with school officials to think otherwise. When I caused problems I ultimately fessed up to them and accepted a proper punishment. I’ll expect nothing less of my children.

[SampleMan]

I think the fundamental problem is that we have two different worlds of education and one set of rules (by and large).

I send my kids to a Catholic School where there is an enormous amount of discipline, but no corporal punishment. That seems to work good, as all of the parents are very involved and support the teaching staff. And importantly, the teaching staff is worthy of that support.

On the other hand, we have got public schools where the kids tell the teachers F-U as a matter of course, and the little darling's parents support their children's bad behavior 100%. In such a situation, no punishment other than corporal punishment could be effective, yet that is not allowed. And these “little ones” are about the same size and weight as their teachers.

I went to a small public elementary school 30 years ago and we had corporal punishment. If a child did what my kids would call an “intentional” (a bad thing done on purpose) we got two hearings, one in front of our teacher (or bus driver) and a second in front of the principal. If found suitably guilty, we were then paddled on the bottom with a wooden paddle one to five times. With a school full of very rambunctious farm kids (and a large number of ambivalent parents), it seemed to work very well.

Is there a danger of a teacher becoming a petty tyrant or having a sadistic streak? Yes, and that is why they should be monitored and parents should stay involved.

Students should not be getting thrown down stairs, but I'm not sure I trust that is what actually happened. Juvenile delinquents have a way of turning victim in a heartbeat.

Finally, I'll say that almost all teenage boys could use a good pounding for bad behavior at some point and they often go looking for it, but that probably deserves a thread of its own.