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To: pabianice
I would need to get into Obama’s head to know for sure how this will play out. If he is just a demagogue, then as soon as he sees his pole numbers drop out the bottom he will suddenly become moderate. If on the other hand he actually is the Manchurian candidate they he will make the grab of property and guns with the intention of setting off the revolution.

Lincoln said “Nobody goes into a war expecting to loose. One side must be, and both often are, wrong.” This suits a Manchurian candidate just fine. But if his liberal supporters understood how bad a rebellion will be they wouldn’t start this. If they had ever considered that their high tech urban world will come down around their ears, regardless of if they win or loose, they wouldn’t be so fast to discredit the electoral process with obvious and rampant cheating.

The South prior to the Civil War, rather than wait out a president they didn’t like, tried to circumvent the electoral process and pull out of the Union. The result destroyed the Old South, long before Lee surrendered his sword at Appomattox. Likewise the liberals on the Berkeley campus, New York Starbucks or Hollywood movie lot will find their world evaporate once a rebellion starts. Just as will you and I sitting here at our computers freely exchanging ideas. It doesn’t matter if the eventual winner is a right wing industrial oligarchy, religious theocracy, or a left wing communist dictatorship. The nation will be repressive, impoverished, and intolerant of anyone who is culturally different from whatever new norm is established. It took 80 years for America to recover from the civil war. And then only because World War II forced all the people of America to fight as one or perish individually.

Idealists and radicals start civil wars, but with the exception of the American Revolution they rarely survive them. It is obvious that being on the loosing side of a rebellion is never good for ones health. However Trotsky, Che, and Robespier were all idealists on the winning side of their revolutions. All ended up dead, at the hands of the more ruthless and pragmatic men brought to power by the revolution itself. Only in the Revolution did the leaders fair well. And it should be noted that with the exception of John Adams (Of Boston Tea Party fame) all were reluctant warriors, preferring petition to parliament over muskets and bayonets until King George’s stubbornness made negotiation impossible. And our founding fathers were a rare group indeed. I see no sign of a Washington, Jefferson, Franklin or John Adams when I turn on C-Span. But I do see many a John Brown or Edmund Ruffin clone pontificating within the halls of Congress.

/rant

31 posted on 02/10/2009 7:51:03 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP
it should be noted that with the exception of John Adams (Of Boston Tea Party fame) all were reluctant warriors, preferring petition to parliament over muskets and bayonets until King George’s stubbornness made negotiation impossible.

No disrespect but do you honestly think people WANT armed conflict in these United States? I couldn't imagine a faster way to destabilize society than something like that.

All of us with a firm grasp of reality are reluctant warriors. We don't fight because we want to; we fight because circumstances warrant violent conflict.

I DREAD the day that insurgency or civil war comes back to these shores. But I will not shirk my duties, what remains of my honor or stand back and let evil men achieve victory by default.

The only side I see truly looking for a fight is the far left with their planned agenda.

240 posted on 02/10/2009 10:30:26 PM PST by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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