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To: PhiKapMom
-- They still need 60 votes on this bill because of the rules put in place by Lott/Dems so nothing could be rammed through the Senate ... --

Nope. The vote today was to limit debate on one amendment. Associated with that is an agreement to have vote on final passage set at 60, with the potential for additional "point of order" votes which are, by Senate rule, set at 60. The 60 vote threshold for the vote on final passage is just a short cut combination cloture/final passage vote. Senators know that it takes 60 to limit debate, and when the KNOW there are 60 supporters, they usually agree to skip the formality of separate cloture and substantive votes.

The pair of cloture.substance votes can happen on many single items. In this case, the two single items are 1) amendment and 2) bill.

174 posted on 02/09/2009 3:54:28 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
Nope. The vote today was to limit debate on one amendment. Associated with that is an agreement to have vote on final passage set at 60, with the potential for additional "point of order" votes which are, by Senate rule, set at 60. The 60 vote threshold for the vote on final passage is just a short cut combination cloture/final passage vote. Senators know that it takes 60 to limit debate, and when the KNOW there are 60 supporters, they usually agree to skip the formality of separate cloture and substantive votes.

That's actually a Good Thing. It means no more than a single Sinator can change their vote, so as to "hide" from their voters, and still pass the beast.

I'd like to see them pass this beast through their ureters. :(

220 posted on 02/09/2009 4:44:49 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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