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Teacher placed on leave for questionable Facebook posting (In photo she's holding a rifle)
WKOW-TV ^ | February 3, 2009

Posted on 02/07/2009 8:56:33 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

BEAVER DAM (WKOW) -- Beaver Dam school officials placed a middle school teacher on administrative leave after discovering a photograph of the teacher with a gun on the teacher's Facebook page.

In the photo, teacher Betsy Ramsdale is training a rifle at the camera.

Ramsdale emailed 27 News in response to our inquiries saying she "removed the photo immediately" and that she is not "interested in any controversy." Ramsdale did not comment on her motivation for posting the photo.

Schools superintendent Donald Childs told 27 News he is unaware of any sinister intent on the teacher's part and said the use of the photo "appears to be poor judgment."

Childs said the Facebook photo was brought to the attention of school district officials by a concerned staff member at Beaver Dam Middle School.

Ramsdale's biography on the school district website states she is in her first year of teaching at the middle school. Department of Public Instruction records show Ramsdale has been licensed to teach since 1996.

Middle school parent Jennifer Buzzell said the teacher's decision to post the photograph was concerning.

"I don't think it's appropriate," Buzzell told 27 News. "I'm not sure why this would be on the computer at all."

"I don't see anything wrong with it," school parent Mark Hagstrom said. "She's on her time to do what she wants."

School parent Chad Van Loo said the photograph sends the wrong message.

"With the way things are going these days, with the kids bringing guns to school and bomb threats, (photograph) is something to be concerned about."

Ramsdale's union representation is through the Beaver Dam Education Association. Association president Janet Schumaker has yet to return a call from 27 News.

Read our Assistant News Director's Blog on this topic:

http://addins.wkowtv.com/blogs/behindthenews/

To comment and provide news tips, contact reporter Tony Galli at tgalli@wkowtv.com


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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Never. Never point a weapon at another person. Unless they are threatening you.

For any reason.


What if you are actor in a war movie?


61 posted on 02/08/2009 7:20:46 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Guns don't kill people. Criminals and the governments that create them kill people.)
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To: rawhide
In the photo, teacher Betsy Ramsdale is training a rifle at the camera.

If that's a rifle, the recoil will break her shoulder.

62 posted on 02/08/2009 7:28:17 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 ((D) = Taking the Culture of Corruption to lower standards.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Principal: Miss Ramsdale, do you have a moment?

Teacher: Yes.

Principal: Would you please remove the facebook photo of yourself pointing a gun at a camera. I know it’s your right, but we’ve been contacted by a parent who is hoplophobic.

Teacher: OK. Sorry to have caused the school any trouble.

There. Problem solved.


63 posted on 02/08/2009 7:38:37 AM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
She was pointing it at the photographer. Unless the camera was somehow set to a remote shutter - there is NO excuse for pointing a weapon at another person.

Photographers, are people.

That’s totally irresponsible.

It is the wrong message to send.

You could not possibly know the circumstance of that photo.

Quite trying to impress us with your righteous gun safety indignation, and get over yourself.

64 posted on 02/08/2009 7:52:57 AM PST by Jotmo (Has 0bama fixed my soul yet?)
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To: MarkL

Good observation! (Gun vs Sleaze conditioning in schools)


65 posted on 02/08/2009 8:34:50 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Kozak
That military photo does not scare me, as the gun obviously does not have a second round because the magazine is missing, and one bullet could not penetrate his obviously thick skull.
66 posted on 02/08/2009 8:37:09 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: whomever
A couple thoughts that have nothing to do with this particular photo.

1. Anyone who thinks that Facebook is exempt from the normal societal rules and BOUNDARIES that govern our real-time lives is a fool. Beware 'friending' your boss or anyone subordinate to you (ie, students, employees) or anyone who might higher you or seek to do business with you. If you are trying to establish a professional presence on the site - as many politicians do - keep the personal life off the board. Anything you say or post can or will be used to form impressions of you - just like real life. Boundaries are for everyone's good.

2. Permissions can be set on photos allowing the account holder to determine who gets to see them - specific individuals, your friend list, or the whole world. The permissions you set on candid photos of you doing whatever it is you think is fun should mirror the aforementioned boundaries.

3. The teacher demonstrated a profound lack of good judgement because of her failure to maintain boundaries between her professional and private life - the details in the photograph just underscore that fact.

4. Parents should not be shocked that their children's teachers do shocking things in their personal lives. The definition of shocking varies widely.

67 posted on 02/08/2009 8:38:48 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Lil'freeper

er, typing fail: Beware ‘friending’ ... anyone who might *hire* you


68 posted on 02/08/2009 8:40:16 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
School shootings are not caused by guns
but by teachers and doctors who place
young people on SSRIs
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

69 posted on 02/08/2009 8:44:16 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: American in Israel

It scares the hell out of me that he came so close to being POTUS.....


70 posted on 02/08/2009 9:18:43 AM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Requiescat In Pace)
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To: Kozak
What about this one?

What about that one? It looks like Al is adjusting the sling on an unloaded weapon.

What are you trying to say?

71 posted on 02/08/2009 9:43:01 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

The magazine is out. Was it really unloaded? I never stare into the barrel of a gun unless the magazine is out AND the breach is open and empty. But thats just me.


72 posted on 02/08/2009 9:46:10 AM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Requiescat In Pace)
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To: mvpel
"Pointing a gun directly at a camera is a rather offensive image."

People have taken such photos of soldiers (including myself, not posing but working) in training and public recruitment events.


73 posted on 02/08/2009 10:01:21 AM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Since when is it wrong to be photographed holding a firearm?

She has never been trained.

She is very irresponsible.

She sets a very poor example.

NRA Gun Safety Rules :

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

NRA T/C CRSO

74 posted on 02/08/2009 10:09:26 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: Kozak
The magazine is out. Was it really unloaded? I never stare into the barrel of a gun unless the magazine is out AND the breach is open and empty. But thats just me.

How do you know the breech isn't open and empty?

How do you know he didn't clear the weapon first?

75 posted on 02/08/2009 10:31:58 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
So, when a woman is faced with a violent attack, she should just show them one of Volk's photographs?

< ok, I get it, a wise guy devoid of substance...my bad

76 posted on 02/08/2009 10:33:07 AM PST by wardaddy (I'm for Sarah. Nuff said, you either get it or you don't. Enjoy Steele, he's no Palin.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We really should stop funds to NEA interests and ignore delusional, anti-social parents who pretend or appear to be oblivious to the difference between entertainment photos/movies and firing range discipline. We can see from their frequent pretenses of being too easily offended, that they are only community harpies bent on dishonestly and illegitimately having others fired from their jobs.


77 posted on 02/08/2009 10:33:33 AM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

How do you know the picture that started this thread isn’t a toy, or non firing replica?


78 posted on 02/08/2009 10:39:48 AM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Requiescat In Pace)
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To: wardaddy
< ok, I get it, a wise guy devoid of substance...my bad

You obviously fail to see the humor in what you wrote.

Is it the photographs themselves that are empowering or what they depict?

Re-read what you wrote. You said the photographs themselves are empowering and I found it humorous.

You fail to acknowledge the imagery being presented in Volk's photographs vs. what is depicted in the teacher's photo.

At whom is the girl in the photograph aiming? Obviously a perp who is off camera. And, why didn't the cameraman have the model aim directly at the camera? Because that makes us, the viewer, the perp.

When a Hollywood director wants us to see someone else getting shot, they show the actor aiming off camera, such as the Dirty Harry photo. When the director wants to put us, the viewer, into the place of the person being shot, they have the actor aim directly at the camera.

When the folks at the teacher's school saw the photograph of her taking aim at the viewer, they were reminded of the photo of the VT shooter and what he did after taking a similar photo. That's why they were alarmed.

So, are we merely talking about an image or what the image depicts?

79 posted on 02/08/2009 11:21:50 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: Kozak
How do you know the picture that started this thread isn’t a toy, or non firing replica?

What would happen to you if you pointed a toy gun or non-firing replica at a cop?

80 posted on 02/08/2009 11:29:03 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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