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Better body armor means more weight for troops
AP, via Yahoo! News ^ | February 5, 2009 | RICHARD LARDNER

Posted on 02/05/2009 4:57:27 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner

Concerned that U.S. troops are already saddled with too much heavy gear, military officials will not require them to wear improved body armor until manufacturers cut the weight of the new protective plates.

The Army plans to buy 120,000 sets of the advanced bullet-blocking plates this year. This initial purchase of the plates, known as "XSAPI," will be stocked in Kuwait and be available if commanders need them, service officials said at a congressional hearing Wednesday.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: armor; army; troops; vest

1 posted on 02/05/2009 4:57:27 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Better body armor means more weight for troops

What about a longer life?

2 posted on 02/05/2009 5:09:38 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Terrific...even heavier plates...

ESAPIs saved lives, there’s no doubt about it. I wonder what the XSAPIs are meant to stop? Anyway, I do take exception with this article. When you’re carrying that much weight, one more pound really won’t matter much. That’s an extra battery for your MBITR radio. A pack of extra AAs. A spare mag for a 9mm. It’s just not that much weight. Call me when they shave something like 20 pounds off the kit, then I’ll start getting excited.


3 posted on 02/05/2009 5:11:45 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: Future Snake Eater

I guess as long as we’re fighting in deserts it’s okay. Try carrying that armor in a swamp or riverine environment.


4 posted on 02/05/2009 5:17:10 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Puppage

Waddling around in combat does not necessarily equate to longer life.

Some of the armor configurations, including groin protector, femoral armor, and shoulder armor, make the wearer an incredibly slow moving target.

At some point you have to look at the facts/figures/statistics and make a choice between armor or maneuverability.


5 posted on 02/05/2009 5:21:40 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: All

Didn’t we have this debate a few years ago?


6 posted on 02/05/2009 5:25:48 AM PST by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Waddling around in combat does not necessarily equate to longer life.

I didn't mean it was a panacea.

7 posted on 02/05/2009 5:39:11 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: newnhdad

There will always be war.
There will always be new armor to talk about.
And new weapons.

The debate is perpetual.


8 posted on 02/05/2009 5:46:04 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Sometimes it's a good thing to have better armor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXMjh_XbkiI

9 posted on 02/05/2009 6:00:32 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Puppage

Depends. Is it better to be more bullet resistant or to not get hit in the first place? A lot of marines have decided that more mobility is better than heavier armor.

Now, if they’ll just hurry up and produce Power Assisted Personal Armament (PAPA) we’ll be cool!


10 posted on 02/05/2009 6:22:41 AM PST by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: Puppage

Sorry about that.
Didn’t mean to sound harsh.
It’s just a constant battle of trade-offs.

Commanders are under pressure to “reduce” (eliminate - yeah) casualties, so they request and require additional armor.


11 posted on 02/05/2009 6:36:49 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE
It’s just a constant battle of trade-offs.

I agree. You didn't sound harsh at all, I know where you're coming from.

Pete

12 posted on 02/05/2009 6:50:38 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage

Always tradeoffs...extra weight means less mobility, more inclination to fatigue and heat stress.


13 posted on 02/05/2009 7:03:18 AM PST by Eagle Eye (Libs- If you don't have to play the rules then neither do we...THINK ABOUT IT!)
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To: Travis McGee

Yeah, in Iraq it’s not a big deal. The mountains of Afghanistan and the environments you’re talking about? I’d be tempted to ditch it and take my chances...


14 posted on 02/05/2009 8:32:52 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: Future Snake Eater

If you’re riding a vehicle or sitting behind a MG in a firebase, I think I’d wear every scrap of armor I could find. But for running around, climbing obstacles, working around water etc, the tradeoffs become more obvious.

It’s a problem as old as soldiering, going back at least to the Greeks.


15 posted on 02/05/2009 11:42:25 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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