Which Way to the Camps?

Modern Conservative ^ | February 3, 2009 | Gina L. Diorio

[No Surrender No Retreat]

“Work Makes You Free.” So,1,2 and 3 “Osambo done set the BLT racist domestic terrorists free.”

Train For War and Hope For Peace. Prepare yourself to see the “Demons Eyes When They Come a Calling.”

Many fools believe this chump for a Prez will be fair, impartial, benevolent and govern accordingly. I believe I could sell them that UFO housed in my fallout shelter.

This is going to be an interesting four years for all us conservative Americans.

Keep the faith and be ready, “Semper Paratus.”

Live Right and Free,
NSNR

[MARTIAL MONK]

When Goldwater ran for President in 1964 he felt his biggest problem was.....Republicans. There was a lunatic fringe out there with really screwball ideas. He ran as far away from them as he could but he couldn't always shake the image.

One of his first clashes with them was over the 1956 Alaska Mental Health Enabling Act. It set up a mental health program in Alaska and funded it with an endowment of land. The Birchers and other wingnuts contended that it was a Jewish/Catholic/Communist plot designed to incarcerate opponents of fluoridation of U.S. water systems.

Goldwater won the battle after he removed some of the comittment powers of the government but the loonies started their usual slander and whispering campaigns which dogged him into his Presidential run. Goldwater liked and admired Kennedy but he had nothing but contempt for some of the goobers who claimed to be his supporters.

[MamaTexan]

Honestly, I couldn’t say.

[editor-surveyor]

"The archetype controllers have changed, from the trilaterals, to the CFR, to the 'Rockfellers"

That's like saying you changed from Michael to Mickey, to Mike! :o)

They predicted exactly what would happen to our schools, and local governments, way back in 1958-1959. They also predicted the militarization of Federal civilian police agencies in the early 1960s. What exactly did they ever get wrong? The names of the agencies? So f'n what.

[mkjessup]

I believe that far more than I believe they would turn on the citizens en-masse, yes. Do you think so little of the men and women in our armed forces to believe they would?

It isn't about believing 'so little' of our armed forces (nice red herring there), it is believing that under the proper conditions, be they unexpected or contrived, our armed forces will do as they are trained to do, which is to obey the orders of their commanding officers, which originate from the top of the command chain, and that is why (to cite an example which is NOT a red herring) we have enjoyed a credible nuclear deterrent for more than 60 years, because the command-and-control process, be it in a missile silo, an SSBN boomer sub, an airborne strategic bomber, has been 100 percent reliable, and it is understood by friend and foe alike that orders will be carried out.

This isn't something as simplistic as 've vere only following orders', it is far more complicated in that our troops are indoctrinated, trained and conditioned to obey lawful orders and there is the rub: "what constitutes lawful?"

Now in a hypothetical situation, if the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on orders of the President, directs that "all members of Free Republic be located, identified, taken into custody, and placed in detention centers at selected military installations, due to their political opposition to the 0bama Administration", you can be pretty sure that those orders at SOME level will not be carried out for they are based on political oppression and a clear and blatant violation of the Constitution.

But bring the script back for re-write:

If the order is more along the lines of: "all members of Free Republic are to be located, taken into custody and transferred to detention centers at certain military installations due to their conspiring and plotting the violent overthrow of the United States Government", who is going to question or refuse to obey THOSE orders?

It is all based upon phrasing the order properly in order to obtain the response that you want.

Works - "this (individual) (group) (organization) has been identified as an armed conspiratorial enterprise, determined to be a threat to the national security of the United States, and for the good of the public safety, must be apprehended and taken into federal custody"

Doesn't Work - "arrest all those right wing conservatives with their 'God, Guns & Guts' bumper stickers who have been opposing the lofty ideals of the 0bama Administration"

Now, does the current illegal 0bamunist regime have the skill and talent to pull off such a grand scheme?

That remains to be seen.

[mkjessup]

I was under the impression that the militias are under the authority of state governors unless they are called into federal service in times of Congressionaly-sanctioned war or national emergency. Eisenhower stepped over the governor’s authority without his permission, and without an emergency. Seems to me to be a perfect example of a violation of state sovereignty.

You are absolutely correct. The fact is, Eisenhower DID violate the state sovereignty of Arkansas in 1957 when he federalized the Arkansas National Guard and in addition sent troops from the 101st Airborne Division to assure the safety of black students seeking to enroll in, and attend classes at Little Rock's Central High School.

Eisenhower was however justified in using the force of the federal government to guarantee the civil rights and safety of those black students who had been threatened with death if they sought to pursue their education at an all-white school, as their Constitutional rights were in jeopardy.

The question that remains is, whether Comrade 0bama will be able to conjure up justifications that are equally convincing when he inevitably seeks to use all the power of the federal government to achieve his goals.

[highlander_UW]

To meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

Beware democrats using vague limitations.

[Professional Engineer]

Re-education ping.

[DuncanWaring]

If you don't know the simple difference between authorizing military bases as staging points in case of a disaster and historical implications of 'concentration camps', providing you with a hundred resources would just go over your head. There is nothing in this bill that makes this an internment nor concentration camp. ...

2CavTrooper pointed out a couple of days ago:

No they are NOT needed.

They were never needed in the past when we were living 30 minutes away from having the soviets obliterating our cities. We’ve had other natural disasters in the past without the need for “relocation camps”.

Funny how 0bama calls for the formation of an organization similar to the nazi SS or the soviet KGB and MVD (Civilian National Security Force) while one of his America hating rump ranger comrades is pushing to create these camps...... All the while you think it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread and that it’s “long overdue”.

Will you still be praising these camps as they cram you at gun point into a freight train bound for one of them?

All one has to do is connect the dots to see what the future awaiting us will be if we continue to do nothing about it.

[2CAVTrooper]

“It isn’t about believing ‘so little’ of our armed forces (nice red herring there), it is believing that under the proper conditions, be they unexpected or contrived, our armed forces will do as they are trained to do, which is to obey the orders of their commanding officers, which originate from the top of the command chain, “

Sorry, but soldiers are not robots that will blindly follow every order.

We are morally obligated to refuse any unlawful orders.

Unlawful orders could range from rounding up the citizenry for reasons other than to save life or limb, to outright executions of noncombatants.

[2CAVTrooper]

Military bases are already used for staging areas in case of disaster.

Every time there is a hurricane that’s going to hit the gulf coast, there are hundreds of tractor trailers loaded with food, water, ice, blankets, cots, tents, etc that are prepositioned at Maxwell AFB.

Some refugees from Katrina were housed on military bases.

At no time in our history did we ever need these permanent camps.

The great Chicago fire was handled without these camps.

The San Fransisco earthquake and fire was handled without these camps.

Mount St. Helens was handled without these camps.

The Galveston blast was handled without these camps.

And there were numerous storms and other natural disasters that were handled without these camps.

So the question should really be why is an America hating ‘rat congressman hell bent for leather to establish these ‘camps’ now?

[mkjessup]

Sorry, but soldiers are not robots that will blindly follow every order.

Please re-read what I posted. I never once suggested that 'blind' obedience was a factor.

We are morally obligated to refuse any unlawful orders.

Exactly right.

Unlawful orders could range from rounding up the citizenry for reasons other than to save life or limb, to outright executions of noncombatants.

Very true. However those unlawful orders can be packaged in such a way that 'rounding up the citizenry' might seem to be a very lawful thing to do if that 'citizenry' had been defined as constituting a threat to the United States. Likewise, outright executions committed by our own armed forces would hardly be necessary, i.e., round up the selected 'citizenry' under the guise of protecting the public safety, then leave it to the 0bamunist brown shirts to handle the executions.

"Where there is a will, there is a way."

[from occupied ga]

"AIM FOR THE HEAD THEY WEAR BODY ARMOR!",

It isn't a literal translation, but that is kind of what it means.

[Jack of all Trades]

My user name was Ford Fairlane back then.

I think it's a little funny that most of that tinfoil conspiracy stuff transitioned to the left wing forums in 2001, and is now cycling back here.

Maybe there's a conspiracy conspiracy... Blackhats continuously fomenting paranoia amongst the minority party.

[DuncanWaring]

Betcha some people who post here have more ammo stacked in their garage.

As an example - the guy who got raided in NJ a few days ago, with a half-million rounds.