Posted on 01/30/2009 1:13:03 PM PST by Zakeet
Reports are circulating that cast an unflattering light on the miracle mom who gave birth to octuplets in California Monday.
CBS News reported Friday that the mother of eight newborns, who already had six children, filed for bankruptcy and abandoned her home less than two years ago. She hasn't been identified publicly yet, though CBS News described her as a woman in her 30s who lives with her parents.
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Britain's Sun newspaper reported that the mother works in a fertility clinic. The grandmother said she had multiple embryos implanted last year and declined to abort any of them.
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It has also been reported that she is receiving welfare and who do you think is paying the $100,000 (or more) for delivering those babies? That doesn’t include the charges for the babies to stay in the hospital until they are well enough to be released!
Why would a woman with six children under the age of nine, including one set of twins, need fertility drugs?
And what kind of physician would prescribe and/or administer such chemicals?
Someone posited the theory that she was loading up on fertility drugs so she could sell her eggs for money, but she happened to go bang somebody and got pregnant before the eggs could be harvested.
She gave birth in California.
The scenario that she was taking fertility drugs on her own, without a doctor’s supervision, is the only one that makes sense to me. If she did indeed work at a fertility clinic, she would have access to fertility drugs.
There isn’t a doctor stepping forward, taking responsibility for this pregnancy. The HMO that delivered the octuplets, Kaiser, does not provide IVF services. Kaiser claims that she came to them at 12 weeks gestation.
It would have been so unethical for a doctor to implant 8 embryo. Especially in a woman who is not infertile! (6 other children!!) It also would have been unethical for a doctor to do an IUI (artificial insemination) without an ultrasound to monitor how many eggs have been produced. If there are too many eggs, the doctor should not have gone through with the insemination.
It would have had to been a real quack of a doctor to be involved in a situation like this, with a woman who was not infertile. For that reason your scenario that she was taking the drugs unmonitored by a doctor makes more sense to me.
Jeannine
CBS is reporting the father is the father of the woman who gave birth. It’s Grandpa and he is a native Iraqi.
Too busy to look around now. Just scan the approximately 1,000 octuplet threads. It’s there somewhere.
Isn't there a law against littering?
It’s also possible that she was taking the drugs with monitoring, but then refused to comply with doctors’ instructions to avoid any kind of insemination due to the large number of maturing eggs. There’s also a tiny possibility that this is some freak embryo-splitting situation. There was a case reported last year of identical triplets born via IVF. If I recall the details correctly, the clinic had transferred two embryos, one didn’t stick, and the other was a mischievous little thing that split in 3! Theoretically, it’s possible that two embryos transferred (the max that would be reasonable for a woman in her early 30s with recently proven fertility) could have gone crazy splitting — one into the six boys and the other into the two girls.
What?! Oh, this story just gets stranger by the minute.
Her mother probably took care of the six while she worked. She won't be working anymore. There's no way Grandma can take care of fourteen by herself.
Something is bizarre about this whole situation.
Agreed.
They didn't. She showed up at Kaiser already pregnant. That's one of several reasons this story stinks to high heck.
FWIW ........
http://www.momlogic.com/2009/01/octuplets_mom_used_sperm_donor.php
When asked if he knew who the father of the baby is, the neighbor said, “She is single. She used a sperm donor, someone she knew, who donated sperm a long time ago. He donated the sperm for the first six kids and she used his frozen sperm for these one. I don’t think the sperm donor knows about these eight kids. He was not involved.”
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According to the neighbor, the parents are very supportive of their daughter and even lost their own home in an effort to support her. “The parents lost their house supporting their daughter,” the neighbor went on. “They actually bought this house for her, but then they lost their house supporting her and her kids and they had to move in with her. And now her father has to go back to Iraq to earn more money to support her. Her father either works as a truck driver or an interpreter [in Iraq].”
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The story is getting more and more bizarre.
This woman accessed one man’s frozen sperm every time she wanted to have a child?
I’m beginning to think Government Shrinker is right and this woman stole fertility drugs and did this on her own. I’d bet there were no artificial donations either and the details are a way to maintain her “honor.”
Fixed it for ya!
RE: “There’s got to be a LOT more to this story than we’re hearing.”
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Right — um, maybe it’s like in that movie, Chinatown — the confused issue over Faye Dunaway and her family members, i.e., “my sister And my daughter” or some such nonsense.
Well, there are a few scenarios where a sane mother of six might undertake fertility treatments.
One which I’m sure has occurred quite a number of times is a woman whose religious/cultural norms involve very large families and who has needed fertility treatments to conceive all or most of her existing children. For example, an Orthodox Jewish woman in a community where families of 10 or 12 children are the norm, will often use fertility treatments when nature doesn’t do the trick, and if finances permit, might well keep repeating the process throughout her child-bearing years. Certainly kinds of fertility problems (e.g. blocked tubes, and a hormonal variation which only poses a problem for Orthodox Jews — Google “halachic infertility” if you want more on that), pose no obstacle at all to having lots of babies via fertility treatments. If you grew up in a family of 12 children, and your sisters and age-matched neighbor women are all well on their way to similar size broods, and you’ve only got 6, you probably wouldn’t hesitate to pay another visit to the fertility doc.
The other scenario I can think of is a woman whose first six were by one father, and who has remarried and wants at least one child with her new husband.
I suspect the whole story will come out soon enough.
I think she is in a world of trouble.
I’m not going to rush into believing unsubstantiated claims by neighbors, but if this is even partially true, I wonder if it could be a case of a husband/father who died leaving frozen sperm samples behind (as do many men who are going off to serve in combat or suffering from a terminal illness), and a widow who is irrationally dealing with her grief by having more of his children than they ever intended to have if he’d lived. I could see a teensy weensy bit of understandableness on her part, and a teensy weensy bit of rationality on her inexplicably supportive parents’ part, if that were the scenario. Unlikely, to be sure, but as I’ve noted in nearly all my “unlikely scenario” posts about this case, there simply aren’t any likely scenarios to explain this story.
It’s not plausible that she stole and used embryos, though she possibly could have stolen fertility drugs and frozen sperm. Transferring embryos into the uterus is a high tech process requiring a lot of expensive equipment, professional skill, and near perfect timing. There is simply no way she could have transferred stolen embryos without the full cooperation of both an embryologist and either a doctor or specially trained physician assistant or nurse, and the unfettered use of an IVF clinic’s facilities. There is no possible way to steal embryos and run off and transfer them into yourself or have a friend help transfer them.
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