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To: GourmetDan; count-your-change; TXnMA
This is why OECers fixate on the word 'yom' and ignore the 'evening, morning' words. It's the only way they can get around the 'evening, morning' distinction.

Ah, that explains why you were the one who was so fixated on ereb and boqer! You haven't done your word studies, GourmetDan. Boqer can mean beginning and ereb can mean ending or completion

For example, look at Psalm 90:5-6, which was written by Moses, the author of Genesis. Here, Moses compares human lives to 24-hour days, beginning in the morning and fading away in the evening:

You have swept them away like a flood, they fall asleep; In the morning [boqer] they are like grass which sprouts anew. In the morning [boqer] it flourishes and sprouts anew; Toward evening [ereb] it fades and withers away. (Psalms 90:5-6)

God was referring to humans -- we aren't born in the morning and die with the sunset. Moses was speaking metaphorically, just as he did in the creation chapter He used boqer to refer to our birth and early years and ereb to refer to our later years and death.

Look at the prophecy concerning the tribe of Benjamin

"Benjamin is a wolf that prowls. He devours his enemies in the morning, and in the evening he divides the plunder." (Genesis 49:27)
The tribe was "known for its fierceness." Boqer and ereb did not mean a literal morning and night in the prophecy -- which also happened to have been written by Moses.

Consider also Job 4:14-20 where, from the context, it is obvious that boqer and ereb do not refer to a literal morning and evening:

'Can a mortal be more righteous than God? Can a man be more pure than his Maker? If God places no trust in his servants, if he charges his angels with error, how much more those who live in houses of clay, whose foundations are in the dust, who are crushed more readily than a moth! Between dawn [boqer] and dusk [ereb]they are broken to pieces; unnoticed, they perish forever. (Job 4:14-20)

Ereb (or erev -- v and b are pronounced the same in Hebrew) can also mean "the day before." Ereb Yom Kippur means the day before Yom Kippur. My Orthodox Jewish friends use Erev Shabbat to refer to anything after noon on Friday until the evening begins. They also use it to refer to the actual hour or so before the sabbath begins. Google and you'll find the same.

When I was a toddler, we lived in an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood in San Antonio. My mother would often serve as a Shabbat Goy to the old lady next door. I had the same opportunity when the father of an Orthodox Jewish family that I've known for 33 years was dying a few years back. It's an interesting experience.

YEC isn't just a science problem -- it's a problem of Biblical interpretation. Get the interpretation right and all that we know about science falls right into place.


494 posted on 02/09/2009 6:40:26 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: DallasMike
"Ah, that explains why you were the one who was so fixated on ereb and boqer! You haven't done your word studies, GourmetDan. Boqer can mean beginning and ereb can mean ending or completion."

Ah, well that explains why you are so fixated on yom. The Hebrew day beings and ends at 'ereb'. That's why 'ereb' is first and 'boqer' is second. The day begins at 'ereb' and then 'boqer' comes after the end of night. It's clearly a reference to a 24-hour day and that's why you ignore it.

"YEC isn't just a science problem -- it's a problem of Biblical interpretation. Get the interpretation right and all that we know about science falls right into place."

OEC isn't just a Biblical interpretation problem -- it's a problem of assuming that man's word is more authoritative than God's word. Six 24-hour days was always understood as the interpretation until 'man' said NO. Then the compromisers came in and perverted the word of God so that they would gain status in the eyes of man.

What you call 'science' isn't anything more that philosophical naturalism. The assumptions underlying man's proclamations of 'science' are the very foundation of it. Take away the assumptions, and 'science' collapses.

497 posted on 02/10/2009 7:41:42 AM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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