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To: DallasMike
If there is a pre-trib rapture, I'm not going to argue with Jesus on the way up that he's wrong about eschatology.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Yes, it would be poor form to lecture Christ about what he "must" do according to the timeline you have!

And to be fair, not all pre-mill, pre-trib believers believe in YEC or think they have a special revelation of who the anti-Christ is. But I do believe that the system Darby created has many problems and its chief problem is that it actually distracts the church from Christ and points people in many needless directions. But I think preterism is an unsatisfactory answer. There are a lot of conservative Christians who follow amillennialism but don't go as far as preterism.

I have known a fair number of people who would call themselves pre-trib fundamentalists and they really do believe all or most tenants of YEC. Let's just say I would be shocked to find a believer in YEC who was also an amillennialist.

There are a few good critiques of millennialism. "The Apocalypse Code" by Hank Hanegraaff is pretty good, although about 20% of the book strays into side issues. Also, "A Case for Amillennialism" by Kim Riddlebarger gives a traditional Reformed view.

"The Orthodox Study Bible" came out last year and I have enjoyed that, although I am not a member of an Eastern church. They have helpful notes about the book of Revelation, etc. It is something I found very worthwhile.

429 posted on 02/04/2009 7:43:41 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
But I think preterism is an unsatisfactory answer.

I do, too. I didn't look back at my post but, if I didn't say it, what I meant to say is that I'm a semi-preterist (also known as partial-preterist). I was already heading that direction, but Hank Hanegraff and R.C. Sproul pushed me along.

Semi-preterism means that most -- but not all -- of the "end time" prophecies were fulfilled when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. The Olivet discourse is an excellent example -- it makes so much more sense when you realize that Jesus was talking about the end of the Jewish age (aeon) and not the end of the world.

The actual end-time prophecies have yet to be fulfilled. Joel's Trumpet is an excellent site. He's not a partial preterist, but he has dug deeply into the Bible about the end times -- not just Daniel and Revelation -- and has some very interesting ideas.

Again, semi-preterism is not a hill I would die on. It just seems to me to be the eschatology that fits the Bible best. Your mileage may vary and that's okay.

443 posted on 02/05/2009 7:24:00 AM PST by DallasMike
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