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Thank you so much for your reply and for sharing your insights and views!

Please understand that it doesn't bother me at all that you have a different understanding than I do concerning either creation or prophecy. We are like two people looking at a seven faceted diamond but from different facets and seeing things a bit differently - but it is the same diamond (the words of God) - and the same Light.

The bottom line is that we must declare the Truth as we have received it. We must tell others what we see.

Schroeder: [[Then on the fourth day, the sun is mentioned. Nachmanides says that any intelligent reader can see an obvious problem. How do we have a concept of evening and morning for the first three days if the sun is only mentioned on Day Four?]]

you: How can this be a 'problem'? It's not mentioned that God 'created' the sun on the 4'th, but rather it's ismply the first itme hte sun is mentioned.

Actually it is the beginning of day and night - emphasis mine:

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: - Genesis 1:14

You continued:

Not that htis is relevent to hte discussion, but I think this isn't entriely true- order can hypothetically accidently arise from disorder- small insignificant orders can arise by htrowing multicolored confetti into a wind tunnel, there 'might' arise some orderly patterns- but again, this is insignifcant to the order described in life. Some life orders 'might' arise accidently from chaos- but again- insignifcant to hte discussussion- just a side note

Here I affirm Schroeder's point in that order cannot rise out of a chaos in an unguided physical system. Period. Even metaphysical naturalists must admit that at the root space/time, physical laws, physical constants and physical causation are guides to the physical system. Both self-organizing complexity and cellular automata have guides, chaos theory has initial conditions, etc.

At the risk of causing yet another sidebar, I should mention here that some mathematical concepts do not translate well to physical systems. For instance, math can deal with the concept of infinity but space/time is finite. Math can deal with the concept of null or void, but it doesn't translate to physical systems, e.g. vacuums are still subject to physical laws, are geometrically "in" space/time, etc.

Those two sample concepts - infinity and void - are also Spiritually meaningful. So is timelessness and therefore, most importantly, God's Name: I AM.

All of this sets up my reply to GodGunsGuts' question:

Are you getting this information from the Bible, or some other source?

The Name of God – I AM – is my guide and the perspective that matters to me in looking at the diamond (words of God.) And God is Light.

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. – Exodus 3:13-14

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. - John 8:58

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. – I John 1:5

As I have testified before, the most certain knowledge I have received are God the Father’s revelations in (1) the Person of Jesus Christ, (2) the Person of the Holy Spirit, (3) Scriptures, and (4) Creation both spiritual and physical.

Every other source of knowledge – sensory perception, reasoning, counsel of others, etc. – is greatly subordinate to me.

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. - I Corinthians 2:6-16

To God be the glory!

[[Please understand that it doesn’t bother me at all that you have a different understanding than I do concerning either creation or prophecy.]]

Was about to write same hting- It doesn’t bother me either way- I just personally feel it’s literal and think that those liek Schroeder go too far-

[[chaos theory has initial conditions, etc.]]

Then I misunderstood- I thought chaos was just that- without conditions- I can see where conditions would verify what schroeder then says about this then- not one of my strong understandings/points-

I am willing to live and let live when it comes to the age of the earth, as long as the other side is respectful (like you, Alamo-Girl). However, when intolerant old-earthers tell me that creationists are ignorant, liars, and hurt the cause of Christ, the gloves come off immediately. And while I disagree with your interpretation of Genesis, I have no doubt that you are a strong and faithful servant of the Lord Jesus Christ. With that in mind, I would like to thank you for your thoughtful response. If I had more time I would delve into your words a little deeper, but alas I am swamped. When I find enough time to come up for air, I’m hoping to pick your reply back up and give it the attention it deserves.

All the best—GGG