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To: sirchtruth
My question to you is as an American Atheist, how and where do you derive your rights, since you do not recognize a creator?

I've explained that so many times on FR I don't have the energy to go through that again, but simply put, my rights are mine due to society's agreement to respect each other's rights. There is no being that GIVES us these rights, humans in the course of creating societies worked through the ideas of liberty, freedom and human dignity. These rights that are "given" me could be wiped away instantly if the wrong people came to power in the society in which I live.

Man indeed formulated those rights. IMHO, of course.

49 posted on 01/27/2009 7:39:57 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Darkwolf377
Man indeed formulated those rights. IMHO, of course.

But that's a problem for you, why? because it doesn't matter what you believe, the DOI says much differently. As Americans our formulation as free individuals directly indicates "Man" can not "formulate" nor be able to give "those" rights, only a creator. That was the idea which constitutes the whole notion of individual freedom. Without this, there is no America.

Now with that said, you as Atheist are not trying to avert the concept so you are not an enemy of the idea, however there's no way you can live by it. Atheist could not have formed America as it was conceptualized, because if you believe "MAN" gives or formulates rights, then you actually believe in the antithesis of the idea.

Others have tried man giving rights, it never works, and it's called, Totalitarianism.

50 posted on 01/28/2009 3:06:56 PM PST by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
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