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The Drug War's Collateral Damage - Drug prohibition militarizes our police, enriches our...
Reason ^ | January 23, 2009 | Radley Balko

Posted on 01/24/2009 6:53:17 PM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 01/24/2009 6:53:23 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem; bamahead

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2 posted on 01/24/2009 6:58:02 PM PST by KoRn
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To: neverdem
A subsequent investigation by Florida’s attorney general cleared the officers who shot Singletary of any wrongdoing.

They broke the law by trespassing. He should have shot them both before they got a chance to see him. Of course he didn't expect to be shot for exercising his right to defend himself with a firearm.

He could have done it from his window and not even went outside. If he used his head he would have had them and been cleared, because he could have claimed that the two dead mean both threatened him with their guns.

3 posted on 01/24/2009 7:11:27 PM PST by Force of Truth (Sarah Palin in 2012!!!!!! WOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!)
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To: neverdem
When Richard Nixon first uttered the phrase “war on drugs” in 1971, he chose his words carefully.

Nixon did it for votes, Reagan did it for votes, Bush did it for votes, W did it because he couldn't make his mind up. The thing that gets me more than anything about this is that from the left we have the irrational notion that we should not drill for our own oil and therefore become the richest country in the world and from the right we have this irrational notion that we should not grow hemp and become very wealthy from hemp farming. We want wealth and freedom in this country, so why are we too dumb to do that?

4 posted on 01/24/2009 7:21:14 PM PST by Force of Truth (Sarah Palin in 2012!!!!!! WOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Force of Truth
We now have threads on the Free Republic advocating the legalization of drugs and postings urging others to kill policemen. This website is beginning to look more and more like a DU site.

I'm outta here.

5 posted on 01/24/2009 7:24:51 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: neverdem

A couple of comments from an old geezer who reads a little American history. First: Coca-Cola. Why do you think it has that name. A few short years ago as we measure time in the secular world a private citizen could walk down to any drug store in the US and buy cocaine and other narcotics. The country got along fine for about 150 years when the citizens had that right.
Second: If we, the United States citizens, didn’t buy the stuff there would not be any problem. The US by far is the largest consumer of illegal drugs. What is there about our society that drives us to drug usage? That is all.


6 posted on 01/24/2009 7:25:12 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: neverdem

and what , pray tell , is Barck Obama going to do?

He could save enough money each year, by decriminalizing marijuana , and granting a blanket pardon to all who are incarcerated for solely marijuana related offenses , to profoundly affect the present financial shortcomings .


7 posted on 01/24/2009 7:29:40 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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They broke the law by trespassing. He should have shot them both . . .

You must be kidding.

8 posted on 01/24/2009 7:30:45 PM PST by Misterioso ( Socialism is an ideology. Capitalism is a natural phenomenon.)
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To: LeoWindhorse
Here's an idea, how bout we legalize other mind altering drugs.....like, uh alcohol for instance.

The government can control it, tax it and provide assistance for those finding themselves addicted to it.

The government can regulate all medical alcohol houses and collect millions in taxes.

I just think it's absolutely hypocritical to continue to keep such a benign drug such as alcohol illegal.

After all, alcohol has only been responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths nationwide over the last decade.

Geez, let's put all this into perspective can we.

Seriously, if one analyzes the data on illness and deaths attributed to marijuana as opposed to alcohol, seems to me the wrong drug is outlawed.

I don't necessarily think the prohibition on pot should be lifted, however to keep alcohol legal and plentiful after being presented with hard “facts” is just plain damn dumb and hypocritical.

9 posted on 01/24/2009 7:43:10 PM PST by servantboy777
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Bump for later reading...


10 posted on 01/24/2009 7:44:42 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: servantboy777

All of these recent drug killings in Mexico will inevitably spill over into the US. It is going to be just like Chicago during Prohibition, only even worse. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that we must reconsider the War on Drugs, in a manner that diffuses the threat from the Mexican drug cartels, just as lifting Prohibition weakened the Mob.


11 posted on 01/24/2009 7:50:04 PM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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Before any prohibition is lifted in part because of the drug cartel threat to our national security, the American military should be deployed along the Mexican border and possibly up to ten miles deep into Mexican territory.

Our government HAS NEVER been serious about stopping contraband into this country.

Sounds like a pretty bold statement huh?

Millions of pounds of illegal drugs come across our border every year due to inadequate control and patrols of the border.

I am a native Texan, this is one of my pet peeves. I've been to the border many many times.

It's a complete joke. Our government does NOT want to seriously enforce immigration laws and shut down our borders mainly because of pressure from foreign lobbyist and corporate America.

That's just a fact.

Our government is forging head long into erasing the borders even as little as we now know them.

A few chicken plant workers here, a couple of construction workers there, just so the government can parade this facade to the American people as legitimate efforts to control illegal immigration.

Welcome to the Amero and the new union folks.....it’za comin.

A few years back, I thought all this was wacky talk. Not anymore. Too much evidence is out there.

12 posted on 01/24/2009 8:03:39 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: neverdem

Thanks for good article on War on Drugs. It’s useless. It costs too much money, infringes on rights, makes sub-cultures which can be taken over. People want to get high. Animals get high (loco weed, birds eating fermented berries). A free society does not intrude on what people do in private.

Good article from Reason. I got upset with them because of their position on global “warming” but am happy to see this.


13 posted on 01/24/2009 8:06:23 PM PST by Bhoy
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To: neverdem

Friggin’ pot head /Sarcasm


14 posted on 01/24/2009 8:06:23 PM PST by DoingTheFrenchMistake
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To: DJ Taylor
I don't advocate the killing of cops. But I do think the personal use of a drug - any drug - should be that person's business. The government should intervene only when you're harming someone else or their property. We can't stop people from getting high. There will always be people who will do that and its a consequence of freedom - which we shouldn't criminalize just because we don't approve of what someone does on their own time and with their own money.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 01/24/2009 8:13:04 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem

You must be for amnesty for illegals, you can use the same argument


16 posted on 01/24/2009 9:15:55 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin - Jindal 2012)
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You must be for amnesty for illegals, you can use the same argument

What does illegal aliens have to do with, "Drug prohibition militarizes our police, enriches our enemies, undermines our laws, and condemns our sick to suffering"?

What do you think is justifying the war on the Second Amendment? It's caused by the profits from drug prohibition. Do you suggest that we return to alcohol prohibition?

There are two threads in the forum's archive, The war on guns and The war on drugs &(and) guns, IIRC. You should read them. I tried searching for them, but the archive function isn't working.

17 posted on 01/24/2009 9:53:09 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Your rambling is a good example of a brain fried on drugs


18 posted on 01/24/2009 10:22:24 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin - Jindal 2012)
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Your rambling is a good example of a brain fried on drugs

Thanks for the ad hominem which is usually a sign of an inability to argue when someone makes an insult. Who's brain is fried? What does the collateral damage of drug prohibition have to do with illegal aliens?

You must be for amnesty for illegals, you can use the same argument

Who has made that argument? If you say libertarians, they say that the welfare state also has to be dismantled for unrestricted immigration. They also prefer to ignore the threat from Islamists.

19 posted on 01/24/2009 10:45:30 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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Now? Threads have been advocating legalized drugs here for at least 10 years or so. Probably damn near when the site first went up.


20 posted on 01/24/2009 11:00:25 PM PST by Nate505
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