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Why I Want Barack Obama To Fail As President
Red State ^ | 21 Jan 09 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 01/21/2009 6:50:46 AM PST by PurpleMan

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To: Logic n' Reason
...the republicans had controll of congress before the last two years...and didn't do much with it.

Absolutely true.

61 posted on 01/21/2009 8:58:43 AM PST by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: DocJ69

Exactly!


62 posted on 01/21/2009 9:02:16 AM PST by SueRae
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To: Inclines to the Right

Agree.Are we in for a crazy 4 yrs or what?The progeny of a muslim father who was among other things a socialist,a chronic alcoholic,and a bigamist,and a dysfunctional mother who was a political/social radical.Father figure during O’s formitive years-an avowed black nationalist and communist....


63 posted on 01/21/2009 9:03:06 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: The Sons of Liberty

which is why I hope the GOP now gets it together and stand up for each other instead of letting the Dems walk all over.

I hope Sarah comes back as strong as ever and wipes the floor with the phony and the Dems.
If the media attack which they will do then every republican in office should be on camera and live TV naming names and stating how certain media are doing a smear campaign


64 posted on 01/21/2009 9:04:28 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Inclines to the Right

we moved from a liberal area to be in this county and I called the Dems last year and asked them why are they not putting anyone up for the county elections and they said they could never win so it is a waste of time

Yes I laughed


65 posted on 01/21/2009 9:05:53 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
It's this simple - if Obama succeeds, it will be at the expense of the remaining splinters of freedom and autonomy that we now enjoy. This constitutional republic cannot withstand 4 years of a socialist/fascist government, and with the dems in charge, that is exactly what we now have.

The leftwing media owns the soap box, and the crooked liberals have stolen the ballot box. We've got but one box left.

66 posted on 01/21/2009 9:07:42 AM PST by meyer (We are all John Galt)
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To: PurpleMan

I’ll give him the same respect and support that was given to George Bush.


67 posted on 01/21/2009 9:19:26 AM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: LeGrande

“Here is what most Conservatives don’t understand, Libs want the system to fail, it is job security for them”

You are not entirely accurate, tyrants realize that they can’t control a free, prosperous and secure populous. They must destroy their status first. If people don’t understand this, they should ..... they can see examples of it throughout history.


68 posted on 01/21/2009 9:24:34 AM PST by Peter Horry (We shouldn't accept things just because somebody says so .... Dixie Lee Ray)
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To: PurpleMan

You’re saying that 0bama has accomplished what all those previous presidents accomplished? I don’t understand your comment.


69 posted on 01/21/2009 9:56:24 AM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: PurpleMan

I want him to fail in his agenda to throw out the constitution and destroy the economy. If he succeeds then our republic is in danger.

My point of view (He’s not my president) is just adopting the attitude of support that the democrats gave Bush for the last 8 years. They openly stated and had signs/bumper stickers directed at Bush that read: “He’s not my president” and trashed him right up to his departure yesterday and on the WH website today. BO is not my president, he does not represent me or most people I know and supporting him only makes it easier for him to succeed with his agenda. He and the democrats need to be fiercely fought at every turn. Check my passport indeed.


70 posted on 01/21/2009 10:00:36 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: A CA Guy
...he could be recalled as well.

President Obama? Oh, do tell.

71 posted on 01/21/2009 10:03:06 AM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Peter Horry
You are not entirely accurate, tyrants realize that they can’t control a free, prosperous and secure populous. They must destroy their status first. If people don’t understand this, they should ..... they can see examples of it throughout history.

You are correct. It is our mistake to think that the libs (tyrants) want what is best for our country. Misdirection in plain sight, they are having the last laugh.

The libs have been playing us like a mule, using the carrot and stick approach and we fall for it time after time. We think the libs are stupid because we know that their government programs don't and won't work. They know it too, they also know that people don't like to be told to get busy and fix their own problems. Conservatives will always lose that game and the Libs love it : )

72 posted on 01/21/2009 10:24:23 AM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: TChris; Logic n' Reason

Bush certainly is responsible for the financial collapse and the bailout.

How many spending bills did Bush Veto? Why did he allow the government to guarantee and push bad loans? He could of cleaned it up if he had wanted to, but it would have slowed the economy.

He wanted the economy and the war to prosper, so he gave out money like it was going out of style. The deficit doubled under Bushes Administration. Compassionate Conservatism was nothing more than liberalism in disguise.

Until the Republicans own up to their failure they are no better than the Dems. The voters at least were smart enough to throw the Pubs out. The only problem is that the Voters weren’t smart enough to replace the Pubs with anything better.


73 posted on 01/21/2009 10:35:57 AM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: RJS1950

They openly stated and had signs/bumper stickers directed at Bush that read: “He’s not my president”

Didn’t catch the reference.


74 posted on 01/21/2009 10:41:13 AM PST by PurpleMan
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To: LeGrande
Bush certainly is responsible for the financial collapse and the bailout.

No. And with nothing more than your opinion on your side, the comment is barely worth a response.

Bailout Politics, Dr. Thomas Sowell

The White House Warned Congress About Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac 17 Times In 2008, Alone

The rescue plan passed with such large margins that a veto would have done nothing, and besides, Bush's own advisors were all strongly in favor of the bailout.

At the worst, Bush can share some of the blame that falls heavily on Congress. But that's a far cry from "It's Bush's fault."

In our form of government, power is shared. When power is shared, blame must be shared. When one branch tried to warn the other, repeatedly, and the other branch ignored and overpowered the first, it should be pretty clear where most, if not all, of the blame lies.

75 posted on 01/21/2009 12:11:05 PM PST by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: TChris
When one branch tried to warn the other, repeatedly, and the other branch ignored and overpowered the first, it should be pretty clear where most, if not all, of the blame lies.

Until 2006 the Republicans were in charge, so for 6 years the Republicans and Bush could have done something. They didn't, so this whole mess is their fault. Period, end of game.

The Republicans were spending like drunken sailors and the deficit went from 6 trillion to 12 trillion, possibly 20 trillion, under Bushes leadership.

This whole financial fiasco should be properly laid at Bushes, and the Republican parties feet.

76 posted on 01/21/2009 12:46:00 PM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: LeGrande
Until 2006 the Republicans were in charge, so for 6 years the Republicans and Bush could have done something. They didn't, so this whole mess is their fault. Period, end of game.

Why are you so bent on trying to lay this whole mess onto the Republicans? Are you officially a Democrat apologist?

The Republicans were spending like drunken sailors and the deficit went from 6 trillion to 12 trillion, possibly 20 trillion, under Bushes leadership.

Some Republicans, yes, but still mostly Democrats.

The vast majority of that increase falls into one of two categories:

1) Spending mandated by law, created by Congresses long since gone, which the Executive must spend.

2) Spending on the GWOT, which I heartily support.

Once again, the blame doesn't fall entirely on the Republicans' shoulders.

This whole financial fiasco should be properly laid at Bushes, and the Republican parties feet.

That is plainly absurd. Such a claim is like my 5-year-old running through the kitchen, bumping into me, spilling her drink, then crying, "It's all your fault!"

It's just not.

Oh, and it's "Bush's", not "Bushes"; "party's", not "parties". I have "bushes" in my yard and "parties" in my home.

77 posted on 01/21/2009 12:57:40 PM PST by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: TChris
Why are you so bent on trying to lay this whole mess onto the Republicans? Are you officially a Democrat apologist?

I am a thinking conservative, who realizes that we must learn from our mistakes.

The vast majority of that increase falls into one of two categories:

Sure but you left out a biggie, the financial guarantees that the government handed out like candy. Secondarily the President could have vetoed any bill and shut down the government, did he do that? No. He added more spending.

Oh, and it's "Bush's", not "Bushes"; "party's", not "parties". I have "bushes" in my yard and "parties" in my home.

You are right, it is just one big party in Washington. I hope you got invited because you are paying for it.

78 posted on 01/21/2009 1:10:50 PM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: LeGrande
Sure but you left out a biggie, the financial guarantees that the government handed out like candy. Secondarily the President could have vetoed any bill and shut down the government, did he do that? No. He added more spending.

While I do appreciate the brevity of your responses -- it does cut down on my reading time -- is it your usual way to simply drop the issues for which you have no answer?

I posted two different links to articles spelling out exactly why the current financial disaster is overwhelmingly the fault of Democrats, but you just ignore them. Are we to accept your assertions over Dr. Sowell's analysis?

Did you get the part about Congress' overwhelming support for the bailout, and how they could have quickly overridden any veto President Bush had tried?

I agree that he could have, and should have, done something to try and stop it, even then. But you ignore the repeated attempts Bush made to alert Congress to the growing problem. And you skip the hundreds of other people who voted for the bailout and pushed it through Congress as you hand out the blame.

To conclude from the evidence that it's all the Republicans' fault is silly and unfair.

79 posted on 01/21/2009 1:26:27 PM PST by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: TChris
Did you get the part about Congress' overwhelming support for the bailout, and how they could have quickly overridden any veto President Bush had tried?

Are you confused? Bush was the biggest of the cheerleaders when it came to the bailout. He was out twisting the arms of the Republican holdouts to vote for the bailout. The Republicans stopped it the first time Bush tried to get it passed, but Bush threw all his remaining influence into getting the bailout passed and the Republicans acquiesced, like they always do. Without Bushes actively pushing for the bailout it never would have happened.

I agree that he could have, and should have, done something to try and stop it, even then

Try and stop it? He was its biggest supporter! Followed a close second by McCain. If anything it was a befuddled Obama who had possible misgivings about it. It is seemingly impossible to know what the Messiah wants except for change.

But you ignore the repeated attempts Bush made to alert Congress to the growing problem. And you skip the hundreds of other people who voted for the bailout and pushed it through Congress as you hand out the blame.

LOL I watched the process intently. Don't think I am trying to give the Democrats a pass, but it was clearly Bushes and Pauls bailout (political payback?).

To conclude from the evidence that it's all the Republicans' fault is silly and unfair.

No it is primarily Bush and the Republicans fault. The Democrats were more than happy to go along for the ride. Do you still not get it? The Messiah wasn't running against McCain, he was running against Bush. The financial debacle couldn't have been better timed from their point of view.

Other than the WOT, which was critically important, Bushes presidency was a disaster. We need to face it, and learn from it. Economic cycles come and go and Bush may yet be lauded in history, but while he was focusing on the war he let a lot of stuff slide.

80 posted on 01/21/2009 1:57:44 PM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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