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State offers to forget $3,800 hospital bill -- if Flint couple gets married
mlive.com ^ | 01/18/09 | Bryn Mickle

Posted on 01/18/2009 6:26:51 PM PST by TornadoAlley3

Stuart Bauer | The Flint JournalRebecca Witt (lower right) and Gary Johnson (standing) care for children Diesel (in Gary's arms), 2, JaeLyn (bottom), 4, and Gage, 5. Rebecca is upset because the state is trying to collect birthing costs from her fiance for their daughter.

FLINT, Michigan -- Gary Johnson owes taxpayers nearly $3,800 for the birth of his daughter.

The state will let him off the hook but there's a catch -- he has to marry the mom.

But the mother doesn't believe her wedding should be any of the state's business.

"I don't think anybody should tell me when to get married," said Rebecca Witt.

"I would like to have a nice wedding and I can wait for it."

Five years ago, state lawmakers amended the state's paternity act to waive birthing costs for a father -- if he married the child's mother.

Genesee County Friend of the Court Jack Battles sees it as incentive to maintain the sanctity of marriage but said no one is telling Witt and Johnson they have to tie the knot.

"It's totally up to them, (but if they don't get married) they have to pay," he said.

Although the state may encourage marriage by waiving those costs, Battles said the decision to take advantage of that option is up to Witt and her fiancee.

"We have quite a few cases where this comes into play," said Battles.

"It's not uncommon."

Battles did not have specific statistics but said this is the first time he has heard a complaint about the marriage provision.

But Witt has support in her desire to keep government influence out of any wedding plans.

"It is despicable that the state would wave medical bills like a shotgun in the face of a low-income (family)," said Nicky Grist, executive director of the Brooklyn, NY-based Alternatives to Marriage.

"What interest could the state possibly have in rocking this delicately balanced boat?"

A spokesman for the Mississippi-based American Family Association, however, believes government has the authority to encourage marriage and should use that power for the overall good and stability of society.

"The nuclear family is the preferred building block of civilization," said the AFA's Michael DePrimo.

The state paid nearly $3,800 to cover the birth of Witt's daughter and taxpayers are entitled to get that money back, said Battles.

Witt, 24, and Johnson live together -- and they've been struggling since the state started coming after Johnson for hospital costs that Witt racked up when she had their 4-year-old daughter, JaeLyn.

Because she was on Medicaid at the time, the Friend of the Court told Johnson that he has to pay the hospital costs.

After initially getting hit with a $500 a month bill last year, Witt said the couple got it lowered to more manageable $50 a month.

But last week, Witt said they got a letter that the monthly payment was going back up to $500.

A tough nut given that Johnson makes $8 an hour at a Grand Blanc-area nursery.

Even if they get it knocked back down, Witt said it will be too much.

"Losing just $10 hurts us ... We don't have a car, we don't even have an oven," said Witt.

Witt said she would get married -- Johnson has asked -- but said they can't even do that at the moment because he doesn't have a copy of his birth certificate.

There is also the principal of the marriage issue.

"I don't think it's anybody else's decision," she said.

FOC caseworkers are willing to work with people on payment plans but Battles said state law mandates those hospital costs get collected unless Johnson comes in with a marriage license.

"The Friend of the Court has a responsibility to the taxpayers," said Battles.

But if the state can waive the cost with marriage, Witt said the government should be able to forgive the money without a wedding.

Asking the couple for more money, said Witt, will put them in a deeper hole.

"The (government is) supposed to help us," she said.

Johnson said he understands the state wants to promote marriage for parents but respects Witt's stance on the issue.

"It's a woman's dream to have the best wedding she can have," said Johnson.

He said he will meet with his caseworker in hopes of finding a solution.

"I've got to figure something out," said Johnson.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
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1 posted on 01/18/2009 6:26:52 PM PST by TornadoAlley3
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To: TornadoAlley3

“The (government is) supposed to help us,” she said.

Ms. Witt is a nitwit.


2 posted on 01/18/2009 6:29:23 PM PST by kalee
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To: TornadoAlley3
Ring on the finger, $3800 US.... decisions.....

I'd take door #3.

/johnny

3 posted on 01/18/2009 6:29:42 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

hmm, yet we continue to pay for illegal births, no questions asked.


4 posted on 01/18/2009 6:30:13 PM PST by television is just wrong
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To: kalee

Witt said she would get married — Johnson has asked — but said they can’t even do that at the moment because he doesn’t have a copy of his birth certificate.

LOL!


5 posted on 01/18/2009 6:31:31 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
"I don't think anybody should tell me when to get married," said Rebecca Witt.

They're not telling you when to get married Ms. White-Trash Queen. They're offering you a break.

Ditz. They ought to double the freaking bill.

6 posted on 01/18/2009 6:32:40 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

lol I stand by my earlier comment.


7 posted on 01/18/2009 6:34:07 PM PST by kalee
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Witt said she would get married — Johnson has asked — but said they can’t even do that at the moment because he doesn’t have a copy of his birth certificate.

DimWitt. It's not that hard to get... if you're an American citizen.

8 posted on 01/18/2009 6:34:31 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5(SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|TaglineSpaceForRent)
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To: TornadoAlley3
"The (government is) supposed to help us," she said.

Can someone PLEASE tell me where we turned the corner in our Great Nation's history where it suddenly became the duty of local, state and Federal Gubbmint to care for individuals from "CRADLE TO GRAVE"?...This mentality will increase a THOUSANDFOLD under the Obama administration...The WELFARE MONSTER HAS BEEN INFUSED WITH NEW LIFE!!!
9 posted on 01/18/2009 6:34:33 PM PST by az.b1bbomberfxr
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To: TornadoAlley3

This is the kind of crap the taxpayers have been subsidizing for an entire generation now, to the detriment of the many innocent children born to people who think of marriage as a party too expensive for them to afford.


10 posted on 01/18/2009 6:35:38 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: TornadoAlley3
but said they can’t even do that at the moment because he doesn’t have a copy of his birth certificate.

And she believed him? I'm single. I'm stealing that. "Baby, I would, but I lost the paperwork". That is the next great excuse.

/johnny

11 posted on 01/18/2009 6:35:55 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
"I don't think anybody should tell me when to get married," said Rebecca Witt.

But its A-OK for the state to force everyone else to pay her way.

12 posted on 01/18/2009 6:39:59 PM PST by SampleMan (Community Organizer: What liberals do when they run out of college, before they run out of Marxism.)
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To: SampleMan

it’s none of the state’s business to pay for YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR IRRESPONSIBILITY.


13 posted on 01/18/2009 6:43:35 PM PST by machogirl (not one of Rush's top-ten gal names)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Yeah they should. People like her deliberately do not get married so the state will pay for the births. They found out about the live in fiance, and so he has to pay. I have known of many young women who have done the same thing, so they can have their babies free. Or the men thought they should be able to. They most times live together too. It's called bilking the system. And is a big part of the reason medical care is so expensive.
14 posted on 01/18/2009 6:45:12 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: madprof98

It’s like in an old John Wayne western where he comes across an unfortunate trail family eating their last horse.

Dumb, kids, pregnant.....and existing in Flint.

Poor souls.


15 posted on 01/18/2009 6:46:01 PM PST by Leisler (It is always said it is for the children. (Not your children..others...somewhere)
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To: az.b1bbomberfxr
Yes it has, sadly. And look at the expressions on these angry libs faces! I wonder just WHO these people think they are that the government should pay for their illegitimate children? STOP HAVING THEM if you can't pay for them.
16 posted on 01/18/2009 6:47:26 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Certified Michigan white trash!


17 posted on 01/18/2009 6:48:15 PM PST by texican01
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To: gidget7
this is a tough one for me -- beats the dickens out of state enforced abortions, which is the logical utilitarian solution, and surely not far down the pike unless our trajectory changes.

I think they're offering her a terrific deal she's too stupid and self-righteous to fathom.

18 posted on 01/18/2009 6:49:17 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
There are TWO other options. A) birth control and B) stop having sex!

Another subject the left is big on forcing.........sex as a civil right. It's ridiculous! If you are committed enough to have children, you should darn well be committed enough to get married. One child, can be a mistake, but 3? No they are just trying to skate by on the government dole.

19 posted on 01/18/2009 6:55:09 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: TornadoAlley3

I’d pay to have both of them spayed and neutered.


20 posted on 01/18/2009 6:56:09 PM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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