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'Anne, if you drink this you will die': Why we stood by and allowed our mother to commit suicide
UK Daily Mail ^ | 1/18/09 | Andrea Thompson

Posted on 01/18/2009 9:16:06 AM PST by wagglebee

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To: ChiMark
Suicide is a coward’s way out.

Even more so when someone "suicides" you.

21 posted on 01/18/2009 9:53:25 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: Pelagius of Asturias
State first duty is to preserve life of its citizens else it's committing suicide itself.

People are free to do what they wish and to answer for the consequences, but the state isn't to remove legal barriers to all (or any) destructive behavior -- else their's no purpose for state.

22 posted on 01/18/2009 9:55:52 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: wagglebee
I struggle with this. On one hand, I believe that an otherwise healthy person committing suicide is wrong on many levels and I believe it to be, at minimum, an affront to God.

On the other hand, if asked "whose life is it?" I would answer that it is mine. If I were facing a progressively more painful (physical, emotional, metal, psychological) end of life situation, I don't know if I would take my life, but certainly the option is there and mine to decide while I have still the mental facilities to make that decision. I would not want someone, family, friend or stranger to take that decision away from me.

Some argue that we treat our animals more humanely when we euthanize them rather than force them to endure whatever pains they may be suffering until death finally takes them. Yet, we often force a dying human to endure until death and/or treatments that won't cure them, but merely prolong their suffering. Who is being helped?

I read a House quote posted here yesterday that more or less said, "We are all dying, some more quickly than others." I don't watch that program very often, but that quote helped me find some perspective in dealing with all that's happened these last 18 months.

23 posted on 01/18/2009 9:59:11 AM PST by GBA
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To: wagglebee
But unofficially it is happening in hospitals every day. When a doctor decides to withdraw artificial hydration and food or, at the request of a dying patient, stops administering medication, assisted suicide is what they are doing. I find it extraordinary that we find it acceptable to starve and dehydrate people to death but do not allow them a peaceful exit.

Up is down and down is up to the kulture of death.

24 posted on 01/18/2009 10:00:37 AM PST by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: cajungirl
I have a feeling that many people who advocate "enduring 'till the end" would end up sitting on that morphine pump if faced with a painful end.

How can unending pain with no hope of reprieve be considered life at all?

25 posted on 01/18/2009 10:04:11 AM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: GBA

I say, either way you are playing God. You do not know, cannot know, what God has in store for yourself or others. To prolong life beyond what God has desired is playing god, to cut it short beyond what he has desired is also playing God.

And you do not know what he expects of you.

God could expect us to feebly clutch at life or to let go of this world for the promise of the other.

This was an individual’s choice. A doctor knows the ramifications of the disease.

We are all dying, just a matter of the who, what, when, where, why and how we face it. She appeared to face her mortality well.

A coward’s way out? Perhaps. Those who make the decision to die deserve to live more than those who feebly clutch at its sweetness.


26 posted on 01/18/2009 10:12:40 AM PST by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: GBA
I would answer that it is mine.

Then you don't understand what "unalienable" means. Your life does not belong to you. It belongs to the Sovereign.

Well, as least that's the premise our Founders based America upon.

Remove that, and you've removed America's premise, its foundation.

Suicide is by its nature not only an attack on life, it is the destruction of what makes liberty possible.

27 posted on 01/18/2009 10:15:02 AM PST by EternalVigilance (A dedicated, organized, united conservative movement is the only hope for America - www.AIPNEWS.com)
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To: DesertRhino

See my profile.


28 posted on 01/18/2009 10:15:48 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: wagglebee

“on the day she was diagnosed, she told me of her intention to commit suicide”

wow,. I would have gotten a second opinion, esp where this is Britian - where the NHS is a bit, well, terrible.


29 posted on 01/18/2009 10:17:11 AM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: GBA
On the other hand, if asked "whose life is it?" I would answer that it is mine.

Christians cannot give that answer.

30 posted on 01/18/2009 10:17:55 AM PST by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: Pelagius of Asturias
I say, either way you are playing God.

Nonsense.

God could expect us to feebly clutch at life or to let go of this world for the promise of the other.

Committing suicide IS NOT "letting go."

31 posted on 01/18/2009 10:20:32 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: az wildkitten
I agree with you. My mother was afflicted with that disease and it was a horrible existence for her the last few years. She prayed to die. May she now RIP.

I wish a study would be made of the commonalities among people that get it have. My mother was the picture of health and I believe that she wouldn't have lasted as long if she hadn't have been so healthy before it struck.

If you don't believe that life is a gift from God, it would be easy to do what that doctor did.

My mother and I both believed that life is a gift, no matter what the condition.

http://www.4marks.com/videos/details.html?video_id=723

32 posted on 01/18/2009 10:27:46 AM PST by mckenzie7 ( ANNA THE RETIREE)
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To: EternalVigilance
I think you overstate things a bit bringing American philosophy into what is in essence a question of individual free will. I would ask you to revisit your beliefs regarding what freedom means.

If I am a religious person, then I may counter your positions and say that my soul belongs to God to do with as He may, but my life and the consequences of my decisions and actions are my own.

I once thought as you seem to, but have gone through too much lately that has challenged my beliefs and thinking. I may come back to something closer to your position, but I doubt that I will view things quite the same way as I did.

Suffering, my own, that of others and my empathy for them, has tempered my judgments and reminded me that there but for the grace of God, go I.

33 posted on 01/18/2009 10:30:45 AM PST by GBA
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To: don-o

Yes, but many Christians live by that answer.


34 posted on 01/18/2009 10:33:50 AM PST by GBA
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To: wagglebee
Just curious about some things in this that don't add up - at least to me.

If this woman was an MD, p.o'd about how she might get too sick to travel to another country to be assisted in committing suicide, why didn't she just write herself a number of prescriptions for the barbituates she consumed, and kill herself? The children say she attempted a botched suicide prior to going. An MD who didn't know how to do away with herself?

Why did she need to haul herself and her children to a foreign country to have someone ASSIST her in committing suicide? Because quietly killing herself wouldn't have been an advertisement, let alone a film for the suicide clinic supported by atheists worldwide? Hmmmmm...

35 posted on 01/18/2009 10:34:08 AM PST by penowa
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To: Pelagius of Asturias

It’s a little like those poor people on 9/11 who jumped rather than allowing themselves to be burned alive. We don’t condemn them and it’s hard to condemn this poor lady.


36 posted on 01/18/2009 10:34:48 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: penowa
Why did she need to haul herself and her children to a foreign country to have someone ASSIST her in committing suicide? Because quietly killing herself wouldn't have been an advertisement, let alone a film for the suicide clinic supported by atheists worldwide? Hmmmmm...

Exactly! The agenda trumps all.

37 posted on 01/18/2009 10:36:47 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: LibWhacker
It’s a little like those poor people on 9/11 who jumped rather than allowing themselves to be burned alive.

An instinctive reaction to IMMEDIATE death is totally different from premeditated actions.

38 posted on 01/18/2009 10:38:56 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: mckenzie7

There is a genetic component it seems. Having the genetics doesn’t mean you get it though.


39 posted on 01/18/2009 10:41:04 AM PST by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: GBA

A friend of mine is in the home health care field. I came to the same kind of struggle when he told me of a patient he had. I am not for suicide, but to think of the horrible suffering— sometimes for years — is just as bad.


40 posted on 01/18/2009 10:41:12 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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