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Lab-'evolved' Molecules Support Creation
ICR ^ | January 17, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 01/17/2009 3:04:35 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: DevNet; metmom
When talking about me please follow protocol.

I expose liberals with equality on FR. You're a special (retread) case?

61 posted on 01/17/2009 5:51:07 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: DevNet
I am unable to find a post from you detailing such a reaction

You're being coy and dishonest. In answer to your non sequitur I pointed out that the human body consists of more than just fluids.

In contrast, you fled my question. Twice.

62 posted on 01/17/2009 5:52:13 PM PST by Mojave (Own a pit bull; own the consequences.)
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To: metmom
The destruction is the natural, uncontrolled result of being exposed to O2 and H2O. So explain why they aren't destroyed then.

[crickets]

63 posted on 01/17/2009 5:55:01 PM PST by Mojave (Own a pit bull; own the consequences.)
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To: Mojave

99% of the chemical reactions in the human body require a liquid solution for the reaction to take place. Pointing out that the body consist of more than fluids doesn’t have anything to do with chemical reactions - you are trying to cloud the system.

Now provide an example of a reaction that doesn’t - you won’t because doing so is very difficult.


64 posted on 01/17/2009 5:55:02 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: metmom

You still haven’t called out those from your side for violating the social norms that you called me out for violating.

And these personal attacks - what is with the liberal “debating” tactics from your side?

And why should I explain it? I wasn’t the one who said “His molecules have limited potential because all molecules have limited potential. Indeed, certain ribonucleotides that are linked together to make RNA cannot form naturally in solutions.”


65 posted on 01/17/2009 5:55:58 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: Mojave
What? You mean that the human body isn't just a beaker of fluid?

A soulless accidental beaker of fluid, without purpose to some.

66 posted on 01/17/2009 5:58:41 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: DevNet
99% of the chemical reactions in the human body require a liquid solution for the reaction to take place.

No source, naturally. And nothing to show that such reactions could all take place in vitro and outside a body.

Now, here's the question you've fled three times in a row:

Why isn't all medical research simply done in vitro?
I'm predicting you'll fail to answer again.
67 posted on 01/17/2009 6:01:06 PM PST by Mojave (Own a pit bull; own the consequences.)
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To: tpanther
A soulless accidental beaker of fluid, without purpose to some.

Reductionists are willfully blind to the complexity of life.

68 posted on 01/17/2009 6:03:58 PM PST by Mojave (Own a pit bull; own the consequences.)
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To: DevNet; metmom

==And why should I explain it? I wasn’t the one who said “His molecules have limited potential because all molecules have limited potential. Indeed, certain ribonucleotides that are linked together to make RNA cannot form naturally in solutions.”

What the author is clearly saying is that RNA cannot form outside of living organisms without intelligent intervention by scientists (who btw are created in God’s image).


69 posted on 01/17/2009 6:06:46 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: DevNet

“...what non-respiratory chemical reactions in the human body do not require a liquid solution...?

Why exempt respiratory reactions? Oxygen transport from the lungs requires a liquid medium - blood. Btw, not all liquid media in the body are solutions - red and white cells in the blood are not “in solution”.


70 posted on 01/17/2009 6:12:56 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: GodGunsGuts

Yep. Those darn prokaryotes started this mess, and then passed it on to the eukaryotes.


71 posted on 01/17/2009 6:22:36 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: DevNet

“Now if you will excuse me I have a Core i7 system to design.”

Maybe you could let it just evolve...:)


72 posted on 01/17/2009 6:24:50 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Mojave
Why isn't all medical research simply done in vitro?

'Cause medical researchers can't breath under water.

73 posted on 01/17/2009 6:25:54 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: DevNet
“Even after they are carefully formed, they are very fragile. Just add water, oxygen, or light, and all the “evolutionary progress” of these molecules is destroyed.”

Water and O2 exist in the human body, yes?

Yes, water and O2 exist in the human body. What about it in relation to RNA being destroyed by O2 and H2O ?

74 posted on 01/17/2009 6:26:02 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Amazing! Over in the corner is a big glass vessel with electricity forming a dark goo. That’s Dad.
On the table is a beaker of cloudy solution. That’s their Son.
Who says a person can’t choose their relatives?


75 posted on 01/17/2009 6:45:15 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

[[The conditions (to include the RNA) that made the experiment possible were intelligently designed.]]

Dontchaknow? No matter how intelligently designed, how manipulated, how carefully controlled, how carefully directed, IF somethign folds, it’s a ‘marvelous example of evolution’ and a “Glowing success”


76 posted on 01/17/2009 6:49:47 PM PST by CottShop
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To: whattajoke; svcw; metmom; DevNet; tpanther
"On a side note, you’ll also note that while several folks are making fun of DevNet’s observation about nucleotides forming in “solution” in the human body, no one has been able to directly answer his question."

Whatastupidjoke, nice bit of misdirection!

No, his 'question' was either ignorance, or deliberate misdirection, like yours.

Metmom 'answered' it quite well. Nucleotides do not just form in a solution; they form only within a living cell. Always have - always will.

77 posted on 01/17/2009 6:50:37 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Brian Thomas, M.S., has outdone himself this time: a lie in the first part of his first sentence. "Scientists attempting to demonstrate random evolution in the laboratory..."--nowhere in the original article does Joyce say anything about "random." He's just trying to find out if RNA, wherever it comes from, can reproduce and evolve.

You believe all kinds of dogs micro-evolved from an original pair on the Ark, right? Would you say that the people who made a Labradoodle proved that foxes could not have developed naturally because you have to start with a specified breed?

78 posted on 01/17/2009 6:56:03 PM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: DevNet; Mojave; CottShop; metmom; tpanther; svcw
"Pointing out that the body consist of more than fluids doesn’t have anything to do with chemical reactions"

False!

They are reactions that can only happen within the specific electromagnetic field that results from the life that God created, within a living cell; no place else.

That is the fact that you are running from.

79 posted on 01/17/2009 6:58:55 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: DevNet

Dev- very simply- the scientists were acting just like the metainfo in a body- they were controlling, manipulating, designing and protecting their creation in the test tube to get the results they were after- RNA would NEVER do all that on it’s own- they had to create a designer RNA to get it to do what they wanted it to do. A beaker is a much much different environment than a species system which has ALL the metainfo already inplace to do what they did in the testube- and ALL without any outside help


80 posted on 01/17/2009 7:07:54 PM PST by CottShop
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