Posted on 01/14/2009 10:32:57 PM PST by Lorianne
"It looks like in an act that defies common sense, a bill has been introduced in the South Carolina State Senate that seeks to outlaw the use of profanity. According to the bill it would become a felony (punishable by a fine up to $5000 or up to 5 years in prison) to "publish orally or in writing, exhibit, or otherwise make available material containing words, language, or actions of a profane, vulgar, lewd, lascivious, or indecent nature". I'm not sure if "in writing" could be applied to the internet, but in any event this is scary stuff."
eff that
No ghat dam way in h3ll. Fvck that $h!t!
Parris Island Drill Instructors speechless ....
That's the answer. He hasn't got any publicity since the confederate flag blunder, so here he is again. Affirmative action politicians, like BHO and sen. Ford, seem to think the world is in awe of them.
Well @#%$*! South Carolina.
Read posts# 64 and 65.
I'm surprised at you, NS. You usually don't ignore the details and jump to conclusions like this.
makes it a felony for any adult to speak nasty to our children
You do know that liberals consider the words of Scripture to be 'nasty'.
It's not hysteria to still believe the i-net is a form of free speech and if people don't want their kids to see 'nasty' words or pics, there are ways to avoid it, from installing software to reaching down and pulling the PC power cord out of the wall. I understand the concern, but this law is not the answer.
Hot dang!
What makes you think it is?
Was covered in post #24
While in HS, I successfully got obscene T-shirts banned in my hometown in Georgetown, SC. You really need to better understand what the 1st amendment is about.
Virginia Beach has a similar ordinance against speech - and I'm sure many jurisdictions do.
It's not a cost to the state but a financial benefit - like enforcing speed limits.
I $@#%’in know exactly what the $@#% you are talking about.
Okay, fine. Go for it. The state is on federal life support, a good portion of the population is dependent on foreign companies, and the best thing the legislator can think to do is worry about obscenity.
No, it is not unconstitutional. Disseminating obscenity to a minor is currently against the law, this law only expands that same law to include profanity.
And no need for you to use age-verification software either unless you are willfully and knowingly targeting minors.
Well you are reading it entirely wrong. This bill is not a law unto itself, but instead an amendment to an existing law.
If you take the proposed amendments (like Section 16-15-370 that you referenced above) and insert them into the existing South Carolina Code of Laws, You will find out that they are smack dab in the middle of a section called ""OBSCENITY, MATERIAL HARMFUL TO MINORS, CHILD EXPLOITATION, AND CHILD PROSTITUTION"" which is the section of the obscenity laws perpetuated against children.
The obscenity laws relating to adults is in the chapter before this one.
Maybe you need to study this more, or at least learn how to insert proposed revisions into existing code. Many bills are nonsense if not read in the proper context of the existing code.
Unless you are willfully and knowingly targeting children, there really isn't a problem.
Funny, I don’t remember speed limits in the Constitution either.
I’m a free speech absolutist. Free speech has a certain karma about it. You have the right to say anything without GOVERNMENT control, but you do not have the right to zero consequences, from non-government entities, to what you say.
That’s the underlying ‘control’ of free speech, and the genius of 1A.
“Section 16-15-370. (A) It is unlawful for a person in a public forum or place of public accommodation wilfully and knowingly to publish orally or in writing, exhibit, or otherwise make available material containing words, language, or actions of a profane, vulgar, lewd, lascivious, or indecent nature.
I covered all your points in my previous post in an attempt to make this unnecessary but you ignore my main point. I don’t know whether you do it deliberately or you just don’t understand what I am saying so let me try once again.
Read the above proposed law please, we will assume that it refers to language used in the presence of minors or in the presence of martians or ducks, I don’t really care. It is obvious that it would make the simple use of profanity punishable by up to $5000. in fines and or up to five years in prison. Do you consider this reasonable and good? I can’t imagine that there is a living, breathing American who thinks this makes sense. Obviously I am wrong on that because some mixed up person proposed to make this a law but it is beyond my understanding how anyone could consider this to make sense. The problem begins with but is certainly not limited to the vagueness of the language. Do you want some judge deciding whether what you say is “indecent”? Do you want your freedom to be contingent on some judge’s opinion of indecent? Even if some lady who runs a day care center decides to shout the F word in front of the children do you think that warrants five years in prison? If your answer to any of these questions is yes there is no need to answer me because you have no respect for the concept of freedom. As I said before, if this had been in effect when I was a child, at least half of the hard working fathers and many of the mothers I knew would have been subject to being dragged off to prison and their children made wards of the state. This proposal is absurd and unconscionable and I am ashamed to know that this insane idea originated in my state.
We need to be thinking about taking laws off the books rather than adding more without thought of the consequences, consider the following which is part of the South Carolina code but is generally ignored because any attempt to enforce it would create unimaginable turmoil.
SECTION 16-15-60. Adultery or fornication.
Any man or woman who shall be guilty of the crime of adultery or fornication shall be liable to indictment and, on conviction, shall be severally punished by a fine of not less than one hundred dollars nor more than five hundred dollars or imprisonment for not less than six months nor more than one year or by both fine and imprisonment, at the discretion of the court.
Of course you may be one who considers imprisonment for not less than six months for simple fornication to be quite reasonable, if so have fun trying to get this one enforced.
LOL - I'm seeing that some posts have been removed and I'm very curious as to what the content was. ;-)
OK lets read this by itself
That is a far cry form "simple use of profanity".
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