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To: bronxboy

And they’re now begging for money AGAIN. Meanwhile if their business had been parted out mostly to American companies the jobs and taxes would have been generated anyway, and GM and Ford would be in better shape now and probably not begging for money. Notice how you couldn’t be bothered to answer the question: how much better off would GM if they’d gotten 1/3 of Chrysler’s sales the last 25 years?! Would they need to be bailed out now.

The entire industry doesn’t go down. That’s BS we’ve already discussed and you’ve been proven wrong. Using it again is disingenuous. The nip companies wouldn’t leave, and there are small companies that would have the opportunity for growth.

Tax breaks are reduction in taking, NOT GIVING. Stop using Clinton “logic”.

You’re just going to have to learn to accept the truth. Bailouts (which these “loans” are) are SOCIALISM, they are EVIL, they are WRECKING THE COUNTRY. Defending them puts you on the side of everything you’re complaining about. Every time you complain about some sort of bailout others get you just prove why bailouts are wrong, you’re making yourself a hypocrite by complaining about some bailouts to defend others. All bailouts are made equal, they are all. Chrysler should have declared bankruptcy in 1983, GM should have in 2008, we are committing evil by not allowing normal market forces we are perpetuating stupidity.


148 posted on 01/14/2009 3:35:17 PM PST by dilvish
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To: dilvish

Years and years later (since the Chrysler loan) after a huge financial melt down , the big three are in trouble as are every auto maker in the world. You don’t let an entire industry go down if you can help it-especially one as important as the auto industry. We must have more manufacturing-not less. Maybe you think Citi or AIG can produce something other that credit default swaps and get us out of this mess. I don’t When autos come back and they will, the pent up demand will really help this country. It was the war that got us out of the 32 depression-manufacturing for the war...autos may serve the same function this time. The big three will help turn this country around. When this happens perhaps you will acknowledge, the loan was a very good idea or not....as for Chrysler the loan was repaid and the taxpayers actually made money on the deal...it was not a bailout anymore than the current loan is a bail out.

I have never been proven wrong about the industry going down...you merely refuse to accept the truth...it would go down and permanently. I have talked until I am blue in the face about Suppliers and their issues. Those of you who hate the big three merely refuse to accept the truth. Haven’t we given enough jobs away? Do you want Dems to win Ohio and the Mid West forever? No GOP president has ever been elected in the 20th or 21st century without Ohio.

They did not merely give tax breaks to the transplants...they gave them cash to build their plants in many cases...the government got the money from taxpayers...they can only take what we give them in the form of taxes. Mississippi it totally screwed. They gave millions and millions to Toyota for a new plant...not going to happen-indefinite hold...guess what Mississippi will not get the money back; there pols trusted the Japanese-big mistake. If the recession continues, it’s only a matter of time before these transplant operations cease to operate anyway-all that bailout money down the drain. Now that’s socialism. Come on where will it end...now white collar banking jobs are going overseas...can’t you just look around and see the current economic plan (assuming there is one) is a dismal failure?

As for what’s good for the country...I have a different take. I think having an auto industry is very good for the country. I think many (not pointing fingers at you in particular) are suffering from union derangement syndrome and would be willing to send this country into a depression in order to kill the big three-thus killing the UAW.


149 posted on 01/14/2009 4:01:04 PM PST by bronxboy
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