Jim, your site is becoming a haven for an increasingly vociferous band of anti-science kooks. To the extent that your site is a voice of conservatism, this casts all of conservatism, and the Republican party, in an extremely bad light.
There was a time when scientists were proud to be members here. Many have been banned, and even more have left in disgust at the treatment accorded them. The moderation is extremely one-sided now; what will get a pro-science poster banned is lauded when posted by the anti-science crowd. It is common to see the anti-science crowd harass a pro-science poster until he breaks and utters an obscenity--then he is banned for life.
"Religion and guns" is not the issue, as most scientists are religious, and many are pro-gun.
The issue is a narrow fundamentalist brand of religion that is trying to become the face of the conservative movement. This site is increasingly influenced by this narrow movement such that scientists and a lot of conservatives are leaving in droves. I'm amazed that I have survived here this long--and I worked for Reagan in 1966, when most other posters here weren't even born!
Yet because I spent six years in graduate school studying evolution and related subjects, and post pro-science comments, I am labeled an "evo-cultist," and "evo-Nazi," and worse, and compared to Hitler and Stalin and communists--with the apparent approval of the moderators.
Jim, your site is headed for true kookdom, headed for the fringe. When folks like Cottshop become the face of science on your site, and folks like Radio Astronomer, a genuine conservative scientist, are banned, you have irreparably left the mainstream. I don't think that's a good way to win elections.
Whatever.
From a statement I posted a long time ago on our front page. I agree this site is probably too kooky for a whole lot of people, but we're not changing it. If you can't handle traditional American pro-Life, pro-God, pro-Liberty conservatism, you can always remove our bookmark from your list.
[[The moderation is extremely one-sided now; what will get a pro-science poster banned is lauded when posted by the anti-science crowd. It is common to see the anti-science crowd harass a pro-science poster until he breaks and utters an obscenity—then he is banned for life.]]
You know Coyoteman- this is a load of crap- There are MANY peopel that beleive in TOE here- and they get along just fine because they don’t engage in the childish rhettotic liek you just posted- You sir are cosntantly deriding Creationists and ID folks as being ‘antiscience’ DESPITE the fact that we’ve been presentign the SCIENCE that refutes the silyl claims you keep making- and apparently, that doesn’t sit well with you or others of your ilk who ‘left in disgust’- well too bad- You sir are one of hte worst here- yet one of hte first to jump up and down screaming about being ‘picked on’
IF you’d simply present your opinions WITHOUT CONSTATLY Belittling others, without CONSTANTLY deriding them, and putting htem down- You’d be taken much more seriously, and you’d be able to engage in civil discussions JUST LIKE ALL the other TOE supporters enjoy here!
Go cry me a river- Cripes!
[[Yet because I spent six years in graduate school studying evolution and related subjects, and post pro-science comments, I am labeled an “evo-cultist,” and “evo-Nazi,” and worse, and compared to Hitler and Stalin and communists—with the apparent approval of the moderators.]]
NO SIR! You are derided by others because you are snide, rude, and uncivil toweard them first! Anyoen with half an iota of common sense can go through your posts and discover exactly what I am talking about and see for themselves! Don’t you accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of first sir!
If other scientists want to ‘leave in disgust’ then it is simpyl because they can’t handle havign hteir scientific claism exposed to hte public, and it’s because they don’t like claiming somethign and hten gettign challenged on it! Plain nd simple!
[[When folks like Cottshop become the face of science on your site,]]
Gee- thanks- but htere are people far more deserving of that title than myself- I only call the facts liek I see them- and apparnetly that doesn’t sit well with you
We’ve had a VERY civil discussion here for nearly 1000 posts now, UNTIL you and Dr.Mike showed up with your petty claims, false accusations, and irrelevent spam tryuing to derail this htread- and you are hte one crying about not being treatedright? The fact is you’re upset abotu not beign able to post TOE propoganda wihtout havign to face challenges to it, and when challenged, you break into your usual antiChristian crap routine time and itme again- and when htat doesn’t work, you appeal to hte owner with yet more false claims and petty false insults about Christian science?
My hearts bleeds for you.
You know- GGG politely invited you and any other scientist to join htis thread and to see if you or anyone else could poke holes i nthe claims, and a couple of poeple have been trying, politely, and without petty little insults for htem ost part, and we’ve been having a pretty good conversation, until you showed up and started spamming hte thread with you pat “Creationists are anti-science” DU accusations, and your totally irrelevent charts about ‘transitional skulls’ that have been refuted many times here on FR. GGG asked that the topic remain on topic, but you sir ignored his request, and instead came in tryign to derail the thread- and when that didn’t work, you then appeal to the owner complaining about being ‘treated badly’ by us evil ‘antiscience’ ‘fundamentalists’ who you claim ‘give science a bad name’
Not once did you offer ANY rebuttal to the threads topic- not once! All you do lately is insult Christians.
Coyoteman- I personally don’t want you to go anywhere- I’d like it if you stayed, BUT, I’ve quite had enough of hte pettiness coming from you, and then the turn-faced claims that you are the oen that is being ‘picked on’. I’ve asked you many times to try to post without the usual insults, and just post what you beleive to be the science, but apaprently you (And htose ‘real scientists’ who apparently were ‘driven out’) simply aren;t willing to do this, because apparentlym, the only defense you have left is to attack those that bring the message that refutes and rebuttals your position.
Radio Astronomer was banned because of his own behavior. On the last thread he was posting on, he was being warned by others to tone it down and he was arguing with them.
He had a tendency to post some really nasty posting guideline violating material at other FReepers.
There are other evolutionists who were banned for similar reasons. The whole nonsense about being banned because of supporting evolution is just that-nonsense. There are plenty of people who support evolution who are here yet, yourself included.
There are also plenty more scientists who are still here and are still conservative. No way is this an anti-science site.
This scientist is proud to be a member of FR. Those that aren’t can go back to DC where they’re more than welcome. I fail to see why you’re so intent on staying and controlling FR if you find it so objectionable. If FR isn’t good enough for you, make DC into the kind of pro-science conservative site you’re looking for. If that is really the kind of face that conservatism is becoming, then DC should just be taking off.
Christianity isn’t a “narrow fundamentalist brand of religion”. It’s what this nation was founded on and getting back to those values and mores is not “true kookdom, headed for the fringe”. It represents a huge chunk of this country yet.
As far as comparisons, creationists are regularly compared to islamist terrorists and the Taliban (another reason some of the evos were banned). Then there’s the dominionist nonsense that you complain about. The screeds about being burned at the stake and taking us back to the Dark Ages. Cry me a river over the name calling. Both sides are equally guilty and in no position to point any fingers. There have also been creationists banned for that kind of behavior, to set the record straight. There’s no way to pretend that the bannings have all been one sided.
You're one of them. Insisting that nothing in science is true, is the quintessence of anti-science kookery.