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Ok I think we’re gettign to the bottom of this- Demski- without any evidence, was proposing a ... get ready for it .... “4’TH Law Of Thermodynamics” or rather a “Law for the Conservation of Information”, and in his proposal, he suggested not that information was caused by nature, or created by nature, but that nature somehow TRANSMITS information (Assumedly because he knows informaiton is even subject to entropy, and in order to posit a purely natural origins for information, and hten transference to species, in which the species somehow managed to avoid information entropy while it waited billions of years to evolve, he needed a constant source of new info influx into the evolution awaiting species- so he coems up with a hypothesis that really isn’t beign taken seriously, as it can’t explain species specific metainfo)

He states: [[This strong proscriptive claim, that natural causes can only transmit CSI but never originate it, I call the Law of Conservation of Information]]

So here again, even if we are to assume metainfo isn’t natural to all species from single cells on upwards, Nature certainly isn’t the originator of this metainfo, simply hte transporter- BUT, he imposes the following environmental conditions, which again, have absolutely no evidence to back up:

(1) The CSI in a closed system of natural causes remains constant or decreases.

(2) CSI cannot be generated spontaneously, originate endogenously, or organize itself (as these terms are used in origins-of-life research).

(3) The CSI in a closed system of natural causes either has been in the system eternally or was at some point added exogenously (implying that the system though now closed was not always closed). >

(4) In particular, any closed system of natural causes that is also of finite duration received whatever CSI it contains before it became a closed system.

http://home.mira.net/~reynella/debate/dembski.htm

Sounds to me that he is simply coming up with an unsupported hypothesis to give the poor single cells enough time to avoid informaiton entropy while it waits billions of years for ‘mutaitons to do their magic’,


745 posted on 01/14/2009 8:42:44 PM PST by CottShop
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To: CottShop

I am not a fan of Dembski, but he is a PhD mathematician and the most respected theoretician in the ID movement. If any alternatives to evolution get taught in science classes, it will be the works of Dembski and Behe. Their writings and ideas are the basis of textbooks like “Pandas and People” and “Exploring Evolution.”

Behe and Dembski post at Uncommon Descent, which is where I go to see what the latest anti-Darwinian thinking is.


751 posted on 01/15/2009 6:35:35 AM PST by js1138
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