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To: YHAOS
The topic is Life's Irreducible Structure. I don’t care whence the hypothesis originates, is it sound enough to be arguable? That is the question. Since I’m not schooled very well in science, I was counting on you (and others) to show me whether or no it is, indeed, arguable (as best my poor understanding permits). Your debate tactics make it abundantly clear that you are not to be trusted.

I have limited time--I am currently writing an article for a journal much like the ones I posted. I'm not going to spend hours studying and research the article at the head of this thread--I have my own research to do.

When I see an article from a website dedicated to religious apologetics I frequently don't waste my time with it because I know what its conclusions must be. That is what the Statement of Faith I posted from that website shows--they cannot and will not come up with any conclusions other than permitted by that Statement of Faith. Hence they are doing apologetics, not science.

If you want to improve your knowledge of science, then please ignore those creationists sites for a while and seek out sites that present real science.

And I participate here now more in the role of a teacher than anything else. There was a time I could learn a great deal from this site, but most of the scientists have either been banned or left. What is left is becoming more and more of a YECho chamber each day. I doubt I'll last much longer. I'm surprised I haven't been banned already for my views.

586 posted on 01/13/2009 2:36:03 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman
I have limited time

Then why waste your time on such a trashy venue.

When I see an article from a website dedicated to religious apologetics I frequently don't waste my time with it because I know what its conclusions must be.

I thought scientists did not comment on things they did not first study. That’s a bad example for a teacher to exhibit.

. . . please ignore those creationists sites

Your assumption is that I frequent those sites? You assume too much and know too little. One (One) reason I frequent FR is too see what utterly ludicrous conclusions can be drawn about very important issues by people who think (or so they claim) that everything they need to know can be gleamed from science textbooks and journals, from the field, or from the lab.

I participate here now more in the role of a teacher than anything else.

Your debate tactics destroy any good that you do.

I doubt I'll last much longer.

Don’t be so hard on yourself.

590 posted on 01/13/2009 3:31:32 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: Coyoteman; YHAOS
==I doubt I'll last much longer. I'm surprised I haven't been banned already for my views.

Complete balderdash, Coyoteman. All you do is go around insulting and belittling people who you disagree with. But you do it in a hit and run manner. I would imagine if you stuck around and issued an endless train of insults towards your fellow YEC or ID FReepers, then you might get your wish. But alas, not even that is a guarantee of success. Take poor Solition, for instance. Going around insulting his fellow FReepers was not enough to get himself banned, so he had to create an entire thread devoted to directly insulting FR (a kind of suicide by moderator attempt). But not even that was enough. He had to insult FReepers on that very thread for hundreds of replies before being banned. Indeed, Jim Robinson himself dropped by and chuckled at the spectacle that Soliton was making of himself...AND SOLITON STILL DIDN'T GET BANNED. JimRob even wished him a Merry Christmas (although, now that I think about it, Soliton probably would have taken that as an insult). I'm not sure what finally got Soliton banned, but rest assured, it was a slow and agonizing death. Don't let the same thing happen to you. Rather than going around and insulting everyone, always wondering (or hoping?) if you're going to get banned. Why not try following the Golden Rule, and treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. I'm trying it, and while I have crossed the line of good manners here and there, I find that this is far more satisfying and effective than I originally imagined. I'm actually having a meeting of the minds with those I disagree with, whereas I would have normally blew them off as recently as a few days ago. Although, I have to admit, it's quite a bit more difficult to treat the other side with respect. Because then you actually have to justify your position, rather than resorting to cheap one-liners.

593 posted on 01/13/2009 4:45:28 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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