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To: CottShop
That is correct- it is over whehter it is sound or not- IF it is, then yes, I’d agree debate for macroevolution has taken a serious blow once again- IF it is not, then all macroevolution has to deal with then are hte other myriad of serious blows.

I believe we established that the theory disallows abiogenesis, but not evolution. If the theory is sound, then life cannot arise from natural processes, it must be designed. Once designed and created, there is nothing in the theory that disallows a design that permits the organism to evolve. Macroevolution will have to wait for another day.

457 posted on 01/13/2009 3:46:18 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

[[I believe we established that the theory disallows abiogenesis, but not evolution.]]

we did? The whole paper addresses not just abiogensis, but the whole completed systems- If you’ll note, “(A) All aspects of life (not just bacterial flagellums and blood clotting cascades) lie beyond the reach of naturalistic explanations, and (B) only intelligent design meets the criterion of an acceptable historical inference according to the Law of Cause and Effect. “

[[Once designed and created, there is nothing in the theory that disallows a design that permits the organism to evolve.]]

That’s not what the article states- The whole issue of Metainfo dissallows Macroevolution (Not to mention we STILL have several serious impossibilites such as Entropy, Mathematical, Chemical, and biological to deal with as well as a complete lack of fossil and biological evidence to back the claims of Macroevolution up at any level- all we have are assumptions, and the claim that homological systems mean common descent and not common design.

[[Once designed and created, there is nothing in the theory that disallows a design that permits the organism to evolve.]]

IF you are talking abotu Microevolution, then yes, that is correct- the metainfo designed into species does allow for adaptive changes to help preserve hte species, but this metainfo has designed built in parameter which dissallow Macroevolution and the fact is that there is no known process in nature that can create the necessary new ifnromation- informaiton that isn’t unique to the species, which is an absolutelute necessity to move a species beyond it’s own kind- Here again we coem back to the concepts being proposed by the paper that hieararchy’s prevent moves forward and upward beyond kinds because there is nothign higher to draw from in the first place.

If someone wants to argue for macroevolution, they woudl then need to suggest God created a myriad of fully completed and functional species, at all different levels of complexities, and it was from these original species that other species that came later evolved from- this woudl be the only way they could biologically derive higher information from that wasn’t specific to hte species that was ‘evolving’. (In other words, the process would be lateral gene transference- much like hte lateral pass in football, one species hands off their info to another- well, not literally ‘hands it off’ but htrough some mechanism, info gets passed along from one species kind to another.) Mutations just are not capable of creating non species psecific info

This paper makes this precept more clear and more reasonable for hte reasons mentioned- mainly hte metainfo, and the heiararchy issue, as well as the chemical purity and increasing mutaitons over time corrupting htese chemically pure systems and subsystems’ functions. And again, the Mitochodrial EVE project just backs up these propositions


493 posted on 01/13/2009 9:42:41 AM PST by CottShop (uite)
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