and for those wondering abotu laughable’s link- Joyce once again makes the claim that htere are myriad arrangement possibilities in RNA, yet when it comes to biological ‘life’ being created i nthe lab, ONLY certain arrangements of chemicals and amino acids will do- thus the probability calculations that show astronimical probabilities stil lstands- The link and Joyce’s claims has been refuted many times
“As Coppedge (1973) notes, even 1) postulating a primordial sea with every single component necessary for life, 2) speeding up the bonding rate so as to form different chemical combinations a trillion times more rapidly than hypothesized to have occurred, 3) allowing for a 4.6 billion- year-old earth and 4) using all atoms on the earth still leaves the probability of a single protein molecule being arranged by chance is 1 in 10 to hte 261. Using the lowest estimate made before the discoveries of the past two decades raised the number several fold. Coppedge estimates the probability of 1 in 10119,879 is necessary to obtain the minimum set of the required estimate of 239 protein molecules for the smallest theoretical life form.
At this rate he estimates it would require 10119,831 years on the average to obtain a set of these proteins by naturalistic evolution (1973, pp. 110, 114). The number he obtained is 10119,831 greater than the current estimate for the age of the earth (4.6 billion years). In other words, this event is outside the range of probability. Natural selection cannot occur until an organism exists and is able to reproduce which requires that the first complex life form first exist as a functioning unit.”
http://www.trueorigin.org/abio.asp
The claim in hte link laughable provided is nothign but obfiscution tryign to deny these probabilites- Whiel there may be numerous ways to say soemthing, there are only certai narrangements that will ‘produce life’, and there is an astonishing improbability that these arrangements will me lined up to produce even hte simplest of life forms
joyce can claim anyhtign he likes, but unless he gives rise to life from the RNA by arranging elements in any manner he likes, without hte need for intellgient manipulation as in his other experiements, he is just blowing hot air.
“In spite of the overwhelming empirical and probabilistic evidence that life could not originate by natural processes, evolutionists possess an unwavering belief that some day they will have an answer to how life could spontaneously generate. Nobel laureate Christian de Duve (1995) argues that life is the product of law-driven chemical steps, each one of which must have been highly probable in the right circumstances. This reliance upon an unknown “law” favoring life has been postulated to replace the view that life’s origin was a freakish accident unlikely to occur anywhere, is now popular. Chance is now out of favor in part because it has become clear that even the simplest conceivable life form (still much simpler than any actual organism) would have to be so complex that accidental self-assembly would be nothing short of miraculous even in two billion years (Spetner, 1997).”