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Polanyi’s ‘thoughts’ do not matter- the scientific reality does- He claims reducing the levels shows it emerged, and that simply is not so scientifically

Williams says his argument is "based on what [Polanyi]...argued." I think that makes his thoughts relevant to a discussion of Williams' article, which is what this is supposed to be. Williams also claims that "Polanyi identified this kind of irreducibility as a naturalistic impossibility," whereas his own writing indicates no such thing. By the way, I didn't say that Williams misrepresented him, but now that I read that part again, I guess he really did.

Regarding language, Polanyi didn't say he was referring to a child learning to speak, and neither did I. He didn't address the origin of language; I was talking about the evolution of language in humans, not language acquisition by an individual.

247 posted on 01/12/2009 2:48:19 PM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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[[Williams says his argument is “based on what [Polanyi]...argued.”]]

“Based on” Not exact- He developed what appears to be a biological reality- Polanyi apparently ignores this biological reality, and asserts that metainfo can arise naturally despite any evidence to show this-

[[Williams also claims that “Polanyi identified this kind of irreducibility as a naturalistic impossibility,”]]

I’ve not read Polanyi’s paper- so I don’t know if htis is true, or if Polanyi did at soem point admit htis, only to later say differently?


333 posted on 01/12/2009 4:37:22 PM PST by CottShop
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[[Regarding language, Polanyi didn’t say he was referring to a child learning to speak, and neither did I. He didn’t address the origin of language; I was talking about the evolution of language in humans, not language acquisition by an individual]]

Same difference- He’s asserti8gn that metainfo arose gradually, and apparently htinks that a language example transfers to biological systems as well- my examples given in last reply to you on language stand I think- The metainfo had to be present first-


335 posted on 01/12/2009 4:43:08 PM PST by CottShop
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