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To: tacticalogic

Actually, that was a bit simplistic. It’s not just about what’s impossible. This thread is also about which theory (ID or Materialist Evolution) best fits the evidence. Here’s the affirmative again:

(A) All aspects of life (not just bacterial flagellums and blood clotting cascades) lie beyond the reach of naturalistic explanations, and (B) only intelligent design meets the criterion of an acceptable historical inference according to the Law of Cause and Effect.


15 posted on 01/12/2009 8:05:05 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
(A) All aspects of life (not just bacterial flagellums and blood clotting cascades) lie beyond the reach of naturalistic explanations,

Currently, or forever?

and (B) only intelligent design meets the criterion of an acceptable historical inference according to the Law of Cause and Effect.

What are the criteria for "acceptable historical inference"?

16 posted on 01/12/2009 8:08:38 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Cause and Effect is one of the first relationships humans learn as when a baby cries and receives attention.
Of course, in our experience cause and effect can be two sides to the same coin but scientists, astronomers and mathematicians, in their evolutionary world view, have conceived of a theory that is not hampered by human cause then effect experience, The Big Bang in the popular terminology.

It is all effect with no cause. The cosmos (the effect) is purported to have risen from dimensionless point because, well, because of nothing, no cause. But Materialism does allow for a cause, evolution, to come into existence only after effect.

At this point believers in the Bible may argue as did the apostle Paul at Hebrew 3:4, ‘that every house was constructed by someone but He who constructed all things is God’.

Distilled to its essence, that is the debate, not chicken and egg but First Cause or First Effect.
And it doesn't do to try and bridge the two. Materialistic evolution countenances no competition from a Creator/Designer.

As Carl Sagan said when his program, COSMOS, was running, materialistic cosmology (”the cosmos is all there is”) might allow for a god but only as he said, “A benign and indifferent one”.

The idea of a Designer, a First Cause, not design, is what materialistic evolutionary theory opposes. Say man created God and there would have been no contradiction from the evolutionary camp.

48 posted on 01/12/2009 9:35:21 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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