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To: LeGrande

I see two distinct threads in the Intelligent design movement.

One thread argues that the physical structure of the universe makes life impossible except when a deity or demiurge steps in to assemble the pieces.

The second thread, the “Privileged Planet” thread, argues that the physical constants of the universe are designed and created to make life possible.

Michael Denton, for example, went from argument one to argument two in his books. His first best seller, “Evolution: a Theory In Crisis,” argued that evolution is impossible.

His second book, “Nature’s Destiny,” argued the opposite: that the design of the physical constants made life and evolution inevitable.

It is rather common in these debates to see both positions argued by the same person, without irony.


114 posted on 01/12/2009 11:31:05 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138

[[It is rather common in these debates to see both positions argued by the same person, without irony.]]

Except that Denton gave NO evidence that macoreovlution happens- He only engaged in more assumptions and support-less claims in his second book- Behe beleives in ID, BUT Behe also beleives in common descent- however Behe has NO evidence to show CD- and offers nothign but speculations that quite frankly ignore natural laws, biological laws and impossibilities, and mathematical impossibilities- It’s fien that they beleive what they do, but with hte advent of hte article we’re discussing, and hte natural biological and mathematical impossibilties of naturalism, the evidnece is mounting that ID is nedded needed, and not just at soem molecular levels,

We don’t see Macroevolution being argued with evidence, We do however see ID beign argued using evidence that is far more reasonable than the hypothesis of Macroevo- The ebvidneces presented in this thread topic being yet another prime example.


126 posted on 01/12/2009 11:42:14 AM PST by CottShop
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To: js1138
One thread argues that the physical structure of the universe makes life impossible except when a deity or demiurge steps in to assemble the pieces.

The second thread, the “Privileged Planet” thread, argues that the physical constants of the universe are designed and created to make life possible.

It is rather common in these debates to see both positions argued by the same person, without irony.

"I once heard a smart man say that you can’t reason someone out of something that they didn’t reason themselves into."

159 posted on 01/12/2009 12:30:20 PM PST by LeGrande
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