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To: roamer_1; stainlessbanner; DangerZone

well 75 million voting GOP instead of the tops 62 million we got means either more whites get off their asses and participate or latinos have a massive Road to Damascus conversion or the GOP becomes the LatinoCracker party and God only knows.

There are no 15 million conservative blacks hanging back and really I’m not sure that many latinos can be moved so dramatically so it looks like whites are going to be the target.

and I’m not sure it’s conservatives staying home as much as MOR whites going for Obama that killed us...or both actually.

there is a fight right now obviosuly between the Moderates Pro Amnesty What Culture War You’re All Racists GOP and the Palin side. The media has dug in with the anti-Palin group.

It will be a challenge for her. She is going to need some bigname GOP to rally to her.


192 posted on 01/12/2009 8:38:52 AM PST by wardaddy (Monarchists for Palin 2012)
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To: wardaddy
well 75 million voting GOP instead of the tops 62 million we got means either more whites get off their asses and participate or latinos have a massive Road to Damascus conversion or the GOP becomes the LatinoCracker party and God only knows.

You are not going to get more participation with "up the middle" politics. That has been proven over and over again. The "Giuliani Gambit" is a road to nowhere. Reagan Conservatism is what attracts voters, and loyalists, and that is where the money shot is.

There are no 15 million conservative blacks hanging back and really I’m not sure that many latinos can be moved so dramatically so it looks like whites are going to be the target.

As I said, You are analyzing voter rolls like they are a zero sum game, like there is only so much "pie" to go around... That is a huge mistake. The vast majority of this country believes in moderate-right to far-right ideals- polls on ideology prove it. What they don't believe is that anyone is going to really deliver on those ideals.

Convincing them otherwise as a Republican would be a helluva chore now, as they have proven themselves to be simpering, greedy, pretenders- out for the very same ends as the liberals, just doing it behind our backs. A sea-change overhaul of the old guard would do it, but that has not happened, as I had hoped, so there will not be success.

What would truly be insurmountable would be 30-50m illegal aliens becoming newly minted citizens in Republican stronghold states. We cannot win without Texas, and the coastal South, and those states would be irrevocably lost if amnesty is carried through. If you can explain why a Republican administration and senior senators are so willing to seal their own doom, I would appreciate it.

and I’m not sure it’s conservatives staying home as much as MOR whites going for Obama that killed us...or both actually.

*shrugs* There is something to what you say... the middle goes where the wind blows. That does not concern me. Those without conviction pile onto whatever bandwagon happens to be passing by. The reality is that there is only one bandwagon now- it is really just a matter of increment between the two parties, not a difference in ideology.

there is a fight right now obviosuly between the Moderates Pro Amnesty What Culture War You’re All Racists GOP and the Palin side. The media has dug in with the anti-Palin group.

It will be a challenge for her. She is going to need some bigname GOP to rally to her.

Palin will not get you what you want. She represents a moderate view which will not bring the Conservatives home. It would be best to look to a Reaganite.

195 posted on 01/14/2009 4:15:59 AM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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