Posted on 01/10/2009 5:13:45 PM PST by saganite
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“You pretend that the warmest 13 years on record occurring since 1990 is not significant.”
First, I do not believe it is an accurate statement. There is no such thing as a verifiable “Global Temperature”. There is only statistical analysis, which is complex enough to allow considerable uncertainty.
This is demonstrated by the fact that these people also discuss “Global Temperature” for 1850. Do you want to guess how many readings, accurate to 0.01 deg, were taken in Siberia in 1850?
Now consider the record of the ages. While we cannot measure it precisely, we do know that in the past - both hundreds of years ago, and many thousands of years ago - it was much warmer than now, and much colder. This makes it somewhat unlikely that man-made CO2 is driving our temperature cycles.
And finally, if in doubt, warmer temperatures would be better for life than colder.
“When it’s every scientific academy and society on God’s green earth telling me something, I believe it.”
That is NOT what is happening. Pull your head out of Al Gore’s rear end and clear your lungs.
-—Your information about a previous warm period has no bearing on our current situation.
Yes, this is a very common statement by committed new religion/socialists. History begins today with our NEW MAN.
You don’t know undergraduate statistics, geological history, or the scientific method. Other than that, you are a genius.
Don’t have time to read this. I gotta go throw another log on the fire.
I’m so worried about global warming, I’m going to burn chopped up tires and dog shit on the fire - like the Chinese.
And the external, extraterrestrial influences on our planet are numerous, in the forms of gravitational, electro magnetic and other forms of radiation and heat. Which are also subject to whatever cycles govern said forces (like sunspots). All of which can change depending on orbits, some of which take thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of years or more to complete. Orbits that can increase, or lessen various influences on our planet and affect its climate. One way or another.
Once upon a time, so says the scientists, this planet had a single super continent, and at one time was frozen solid like a cue ball (for hundreds of millions of years). But our dual core, solid at the center and molten on the outside heated up the Earth from the inside, and melted the majority of the ice. That same molten layer then started breaking up the land mass.
So just what is the average mean temperature of this planet supposed to be? Just because we wish it was as it was, say 30 years ago, doesn't make it so. And to think that the infinitesimally small (relative to overall concentrations) of C02 that we release into the atmo is the driving force in our climate, and that we can somehow influence and control it and all the other external forces to keep planet Earth just the way it is now, is, IMHO the height of human arrogance.
The fact that there are those who would use such hysteria to propose massive, crippling bureaucracies to control it, and all the people buying into it because Algore said the facts are absolute and we know all that we need to know, is the height of human stupidity.
That’s not the height of human stupidity. The height of human stupidity is believing that Al Gore is the originator of the science he made his movie about.
Pointing at Al Gore and asking “why should I believe him?” is a red herring. Nobody has to believe Al Gore. Believe every scientific academy and society in the industrialized world. Believe them.
Science is being co-opted by governments and special interests. FOR THEIR OWN ENDS - NOT YOURS! It's no longer science, it's Dogma, it's control, it's tyranny.
It's a GD cult! And it sounds like you've drank the Kool-Aide.
As I've said to you before, if you wanna go green, go for it, I'm taking steps in that direction myself. But leave the bureaucracies, taxation, carbon scams and big-brother state out of it.
Carbon credits... LOL..... you're surrounded by carbon; you're a GD carbon based life form for crying out loud!
Geez! And now the idiots want to start taxing cow farts! Meanwhile, sitting on the bottom of the ocean is hundreds of trillions of cubic feet of methane gas, waiting to be released into the atmo. Or be turned into energy.
I suppose you also want to cut off all national energy exploration and use, while letting every other country around the world make use of their's, as long as your carbon credit scam allows them too.
Essentially every last one of your claims is bogus. You’re clearly not acquainted with the scientific community and what they do.
It’s not a conspiracy to ensure continued funding. Scientists don’t want any more funding to study global warming. They want something done about it.
You're naive.
You don't find it the least bit curious, that this issue has taken on such urgency, with such political backing, while all dissent, debate and alternative research has been squashed, muzzled and/or out right ridiculed, with little or no (honest) peer review?
I love science, and I love the people that do it. But they are not Gods, despite what their own inflated ego's might tell them. And they are not infallible. And as the saying goes in my field: "Garbage in - Garbage Out".
No scientist, no matter his creds, ethics or honesty, is going to do a damn bit of good, if his data sets are wrong, inaccurate, or incomplete. And if you have even bothered to do a rudimentary examination of the issue, would know that the data sets and computer modeling are based on flawed or inaccurate data.
And yet here they are trying to determine, and sell, theories of global climate. Climate that works on it's own timescale and schedule, influenced by far more that you, I or even they can know, let alone understand (at this point in time), and on a far grander scale than we can even hope to control/influence.
Oddly enough, with help of alternative media, voices of dissent are starting to get out, and they are growing in number. And these are by no means average/stupid people. They indeed have spent their lives studying the very thing we're talking about.
This is the kind of debate and review that NEEDS to take place before committing this planet to a very costly, and disruptive course of action.
The parables of "Chicken Little" and "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" are instructive. Too bad they're no longer taught.
Yeah, sure, all the peer-reviewed evidence that leads thousands - the vast majority - of climate scientists to accept that global warming is happening and we’re causing it is just “mercenary” behavior.
It’s a vast, vast, vast conspiracy.
And/or all of these international scientists are ignoring science and just being influenced by “political pressure.”
I think you’re the naive one here.
And amazingly ignorant on the issue, to say that there’s been “little or no peer review.”
You say a debate needs to happen, but you’re not really interested in the reality. You just want to sling innuendo and insults at scientists.
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