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All these things are on the birth certificate in question.

Do you see a raised seal in this image, from factcheck.or, I don't. I left it big for easy examination.

The raised seal "magically" appeared in later, really badly taken, images. It should be in the lower right quadrant somewhere based on those latter fact check photos. Based on what? I must not be, because I got a passport with a birth certificate just like it.

I said a Hawaiian Certification was acceptable, if the birth date and the registration date were less than a year apart, did I not?

California's short form as well as Texas' are according to several passport sites I checked not acceptable, you need the long form.

Here's a statement from the City of Orange CA, which has a passport issuing office.

SPECIAL NOTICE - CALIFORNIA BIRTH ABSTRACTS NO LONGER ACCEPTABLE - PASSPORT APPLICANTS BORN IN CALIFORIA MUST SUBMIT LONG FORM PHOTOREPRODUCTION CERTIFIED COPIES OF BIRTH RECORDS - THE SHORT BIRTH ABSTRACT OF RECORDS ISSUED BY MANY COUNTIES AND BY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WILL NO LONGER BE ACCEPTABLE FOR PASSPORT PURPOSES. DUE TO COMPUTER PROGRAMMING THE BIRTH ABSTRACTS SHOW THE COUNTY OF ISSUE AS THE PLACE OF BIRTH EVEN IF THE INDIVIDUAL WAS BORN IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY AND ADOPTED IN CALIFORNIA. A BIRTH RECORD FOR PASSPORT PURPOSES MUST BE THE LONG FORM PHOTOREPRODUCTION CERTIFIED COPIES.

"Do you see a raised seal in this image, from factcheck.or, I don't. I left it big for easy examination."

Nope. But Polarik himself acknowledges that it is detectable. More importantly, it is clearly visible on the photographs of the paper document.

California's short form as well as Texas' are according to several passport sites I checked not acceptable, you need the long form.
Here's a statement from the City of Orange CA, which has a passport issuing office.
SPECIAL NOTICE - CALIFORNIA BIRTH ABSTRACTS NO LONGER ACCEPTABLE - PASSPORT APPLICANTS BORN IN CALIFORIA MUST SUBMIT LONG FORM PHOTOREPRODUCTION CERTIFIED COPIES OF BIRTH RECORDS - THE SHORT BIRTH ABSTRACT OF RECORDS ISSUED BY MANY COUNTIES AND BY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WILL NO LONGER BE ACCEPTABLE FOR PASSPORT PURPOSES. DUE TO COMPUTER PROGRAMMING THE BIRTH ABSTRACTS SHOW THE COUNTY OF ISSUE AS THE PLACE OF BIRTH EVEN IF THE INDIVIDUAL WAS BORN IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY AND ADOPTED IN CALIFORNIA. A BIRTH RECORD FOR PASSPORT PURPOSES MUST BE THE LONG FORM PHOTOREPRODUCTION CERTIFIED COPIES.

I will check on this and follow up as soon as I have time. Thanks for posting it.

"Do you see a raised seal in this image, from factcheck.or, I don't. I left it big for easy examination."

Now that I've examined it I'll answer this question.

Yes, there is a seal in this image. It isn't easy to see, but it is there if you look for it. It can be revealed more with image processing. A fact which I believe Polarik concedes.

"Here's a statement from the City of Orange CA, which has a passport issuing office."
"SPECIAL NOTICE - CALIFORNIA BIRTH ABSTRACTS NO LONGER ACCEPTABLE - PASSPORT APPLICANTS BORN IN CALIFORIA MUST SUBMIT LONG FORM PHOTOREPRODUCTION CERTIFIED COPIES OF BIRTH RECORDS - THE SHORT BIRTH ABSTRACT OF RECORDS ISSUED BY MANY COUNTIES AND BY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WILL NO LONGER BE ACCEPTABLE FOR PASSPORT PURPOSES. DUE TO COMPUTER PROGRAMMING THE BIRTH ABSTRACTS SHOW THE COUNTY OF ISSUE AS THE PLACE OF BIRTH EVEN IF THE INDIVIDUAL WAS BORN IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY AND ADOPTED IN CALIFORNIA. A BIRTH RECORD FOR PASSPORT PURPOSES MUST BE THE LONG FORM PHOTOREPRODUCTION CERTIFIED COPIES."

I was hoping to find some source information on the issue that prompted this notice, but haven't found anything. I did find a similar notice on another county's web site. So we'll have to just go with the notice itself and what it actually says. It does tell us a lot.

The problem they are facing is, "DUE TO COMPUTER PROGRAMMING THE BIRTH ABSTRACTS SHOW THE COUNTY OF ISSUE AS THE PLACE OF BIRTH EVEN IF THE INDIVIDUAL WAS BORN IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY AND ADOPTED IN CALIFORNIA."

It has to do with adoptees. Why? Because when someone is adopted their original birth records are removed and placed in an archive where they can only be retrieved by court order. They are replaced with new records showing the adopting parents as the parents. Due to some incorrect programming, abstracts from these records were not using the original birth location.

Does this mean that Obama's certificate might have the wrong birth location? No. For several reasons.

1. They are taking these steps because this is an error condition, not normal practice.

2. They specifically identify two states where this is an issue. If Hawaii were one of them it would have been identified too.

3. Nobody alleges he is adopted. It specifically identifies certificates for adoptees as the problem, which are treated very differently. If he wasn't adopted this wouldn't be an issue.