NOW..., this is the question that pertains to you and some other FReepers, mainly. It’s precisely these types of discussions where there is no evidence,
***That is a complete, utter, blatant and massive disregard for the evidence, so much so that it is tantamount to being a troll. Sure, hyperbole is allowed, but we see it time and again, “no evidence” when it’s freeping obvious that there is plenty of evidence or these cases wouldn’t have gotten this far. My analysis showed a 1 in 70Billion chance that this stuff could have lined up this way.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2162033/posts?page=687#687
How is that NO evidence, or evidence of a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, or that this issue reflects negatively on Free Republic? It isn’t. But your alien abduction garbage was openly mocked and disproven by CSICOP when they sent in their own person to get interviewed by Mack and she held up by him as one of the most compelling examples of the phenomena.
where even President Bush, himself, has refused to prosecute because he has seen there is no evidence of a problem, where our own leaders don’t go down this track, because they know that there’s nothing there —
***I see threads where Campos and Ramean — the two INS Agents who were imprisoned for firing on a drug dealing illegal alien— should have been pardoned by Bush, the evidence appears to be overwhelming yet he gets it wrong. Why would Bush want to intervene here when it’s clearly the SCOTUS’s job? It does not appear at all to be his job to prosecute on eligibility of the opposing party’s candidate for president.
it’s all this — that *actually* gives “cannon fodder” to outsiders...
***If any of your arguments would withstand even the slightest scrutiny, maybe your conclusion would bear some weight. But you constantly pull classic fallacies and blatant misrepresentations out of your quiver of reason and so your position is subject to just as much scrutiny. It is my position that someone who thinks Alien Abductions are legitimate scientific endeavor are exactly the kind of people who give cannon fodder to outsiders. It is the a huge sign of hypocrisy for such a person to base his sniping on certifiGate threads on this ridiculous posture that it somehow reflects negatively on Free Republic.
I would think that someone who says (like I do, too...)
“Let create a state law that vets Presidential Candidate properly, and we’ve got one bill going in Oklahoma right now” — is a statement that is *rational*.
***Sure, that’s rational and I’ve even encouraged you in that effort. But it is irrational to think that your effort makes FR look good while ours makes FR look bad. It’s a logical fallacy of assuming mutual exclusivity. Our effort has the potential to knock out the President Elect. TOMORROW. Your effort has the potential to... possibly work in 4 years... after Obama’s damage has been done to the constitution... assuming the democratic controlled congress doesn’t outmaneuver you.
Now, between the idea that all the conservative media outlets, all the Republican leaders, even the Supreme Court, and also the Electoral College, and even Vice President Cheney — want to do nothing to challenge Obama — *that* is definitely cannon fodder — to be sure...
***They’re relying upon the SCOTUS to do their job. And it IS their job.
So, if I were you — I would reduce the cannon fodder that you’re giving to others — that can be used against Free Republic.... (that is..., if you’re really concerned about cannon fodder).
***I’m not that concerned, but you seem to be. Where is your concern about cannon fodder when it comes to advocating Alien Abuctions as a new religion, or whatever is being advocated here :
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2165412/posts?page=13#13
Kevmo: “So now there’s an alien abduction caucus? It is becoming a religion?”
Star Traveler: There’s no doubt about it. ... It’s a good topic to go over..., without a doubt...
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However, as far as I’m concerned ... I *do know* that liberals who are against God in our country and want to remove God from everything and don’t want morals from what God says or our Christian heritage here in this country — yes — they *will use* any references to the Bible and/or Jesus’ sayings, and/or any idea that one presents about Creation — all as cannon fodder. That *is* a given — because they are fools, those who deny our Creator God. So, that’s too bad for them.
***Nothing really controversial here, for this Pro-God forum.
However, on your part, I don’t see the real basis for what you’re saying and doing — since I have seen no legal and court evidence to back up anything that you’ve said.
***Again you’re back to the NO evidence thing. It is a hyperbolic straw argument, the argument of a CoLB troll.
I see only *strong opinion* — so strong that anyone who disagrees with you is a “troll” or a “disruptor” or whatever other name comes up at the moment ...
***I disagree with plenty of others on the CoLB topics without calling them a troll. Your own argumentation even on this one post is evidence of trollhood.
On what basis is it "their job"?
There is no duly-constituted authority which has requested or required Obama to do what you want.
The Supreme Court is not a free-ranging Committee of Public Safety. It's not like the French Cour de Cassation, which (descended from the revolutionary CPS) has the very powers you want the USSC to exercise.
There is no statute, no case law, and no person with standing which requires production of documents of a President-Elect.
The facts remain to this day — no one has produced any evidence that any court is acting upon, or any evidence that any court has verified, or any court is taking any kind of action towards removing Obama from office. It’s simply not happening. I mean, if something was happening to remove Obama from office, we would all know about it. All we’ve got is simply a lot of people *very opinionated* about what *should* happen — but *nothing* is happening in a practical way (i.e., “removing Obama”...), nothing at all.
Now, the fact that nothing is happening — that the cases are either dismissed, appealed, up for hearing, sent back to lower courts (and “on and on”), plus the Republicans (about every last single one of them) doing nothing, including the President of the United States, and Vice President Cheney, plus McManiac, and his running mate, Governor Palin, and neither the Electoral College voters, or the Congress certifying the vote, or Cheney in accepting the results, or the Supreme Court in not granting any injunctions to stop the inauguration, or the Justice Department in not taking any action to prosecute Obama (and on and on it goes, the list is “big*) — this all leads these *very opiniated* people (and posters) to say — “Oh, they just won’t do their jobs!”... LOL... Now, that’s a “conspiracy-mindedness” for sure...
But, if someone says (like me, for example), “Oh, a state law to properly vet a candidate with specific documentation or they can’t get on the ballot — is needed and we’ve got one going in Oklahoma right now...” — that’s definitely a “troll” and a “disruptor”... (can it get any weirder than that??).
You see..., the very basic problem that all these very *opinionated posters* have is that there is a *hole* in our vetting system that Obama walked straight through — and you can’t close the barn door after the horse has gotten out — and do any good. You’re chasing down a losing battle for something that is “way past that point” now. That’s your problem....
And that’s what gives others something to “point to” and say, “will you look at that conspiracy stuff...”
But, you can’t say that getting a piece of legislation through the Oklahoma legislature, with it already having been sponsored and put in the works, right now — is conspiracy stuff — because that’s “real world” politics and putting real world legislation in place that can “close up the hole” that Obama walked straight through.
There’s just a huge *disconnect from reality* here with some posters going down this track. That’s all I can say about it. You’re letting your *desires* for getting Obama out of office try and “create a reality” where no such reality exists in real life.
Now, you mentioned something about damage to the Constitution. That’s another wild idea that can’t happen without going through “procedures” that will *have to be followed*. You can’t change the Constitution without 3/4 of the states ratifying it. And it usually takes years (sometimes 7 or more years) to go through the process. And all Amendments to the Constitution just don’t breeze through such a public vote in the various states. So, it’s even crazy to say that Obama is going to do something with the Constitution when you have to get 3/4 of the states to ratify any Amendments.
This is another “unreal’ wild idea that some people are promoting. Nothing is going to change with the Constitution — without the states ratifying it. And I don’t see the states ratifying any changes that mess with the Constitution.
And then you were saying something about the Supreme Court’s job is to make sure Obama is either not in office or taken out of office (whichever way you mean it). Well, the Supreme Court is not going to act upon *anything* like that in regards to Obama, unless there is a specific case before it. And all the cases before it — none of them have a thing to do with a “remedy” of removing a candidate. At most, someone may get standing, and it goes back to a lower court. In the instances where the Supreme Court was actually asked to intervene and block the Electoral College Votes and certification or prevent Obama from being inaugurated, by means of some injunction — the court did *no such thing* — and they’re not going to do any such thing. Y’all are imagining that the Supreme Court is like some John Wayne cowboy, riding in there, both guns blazing and “taking out Obama”... That’s the idea that you’re presenting with these wild schemes about how the Supreme Court is going to act. It just gets more crazy all the time, when your *desires* are so intense that you can’t separate them from *reality* and how *things work* in the real world.
There’s a huge *disconnect* from reality here.
That’s why I’ve said all along to use the method that is most likely to succeed and it’s already working in Oklahoma, even before Obama is even in office. So, that makes a lot of sense to me and is connected to the “real world” in this situation...