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To: GodGunsGuts
Both sides are staffed with scientists who must grapple with the same evidence, and come to very different conclusions.

But one side will follow the evidence wherever it leads.

The other side will distort, misrepresent, and ignore evidence as required to make everything come out supporting scripture and revelation--no matter what.

As an example, lets take the Creation Research Society. This is on their website:

The Creation Research Society is a professional organization of trained scientists and interested laypersons who are firmly committed to scientific special creation. The Society was organized in 1963 by a committee of ten like-minded scientists, and has grown into an organization with an international membership.

CRS Statement of Belief

All members must subscribe to the following statement of belief:

1. The Bible is the written Word of God, and because it is inspired throughout, all its assertions are historically and scientifically true in the original autographs. To the student of nature this means that the account of origins in Genesis is a factual presentation of simple historical truths.

2. All basic types of living things, including man, were made by direct creative acts of God during the Creation Week described in Genesis. Whatever biological changes have occurred since Creation Week have accomplished only changes within the original created kinds.

3. The great flood described in Genesis, commonly referred to as the Noachian Flood, was an historic event worldwide in its extent and effect.

4. We are an organization of Christian men and women of science who accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. The account of the special creation of Adam and Eve as one man and one woman and their subsequent fall into sin is the basis for our belief in the necessity of a Savior for all mankind. Therefore, salvation can come only through accepting Jesus Christ as our Savior.

See any opportunity for data-driven science there? Or is this an organization dedicated to supporting scripture and revelation--no matter what?

I think even you will have to admit its the latter. And that is the exact opposite of science.

So don't give us any "Both sides are staffed with scientists who must grapple with the same evidence, and come to very different conclusions" nonsense. One side is doing science and the other is doing religious apologetics.

8 posted on 01/09/2009 8:05:43 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

==But one side will follow the evidence wherever it leads.

Obviously not. Otherwise the Evos would be publishing Creation/ID challenges (not to mention rival evolutionary theories!) to neo-Darwinian evolution in their journals on a regular basis.


9 posted on 01/09/2009 8:11:41 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Coyoteman

Materialist /Naturalist Statement of Belief

All members must subscribe to the following statement of belief:

1. Matter, energy, space and time are all that exists or has ever existed. They originated from nothing and for no reason. The universe consists only of that which is perceived by our five sensory organs, and nothing else exists or can exist.

2. All living things, including man, originated accidentally from non-living matter by means of natural processes. The first living cell came to be through random chance, and evolved by sheer effing luck over billions of years into da Vinci, Bach, and Mozart.

3. The pre-time, pre-matter event described in modern cosmology texts, commonly referred to as the Big Bang, was a prehistoric event that happened everywhere at once.

4. We are an organization of men and women of science who accept nothing except what can be poked with a stick as real. Human beings are animals — mobile automatons made from electrified meat — and are the result of the random action of wind and sunlight on dirty water billion of years ago. Neither the universe nor human beings have any special status, purpose, or destiny. Souls do not exist. Mind is an illusion. The order and structure we see in nature are illusions. Free will is an illusion. Right and wrong are matters of opinion; good and evil do not exist. Our only hope is that the human race continues long enough to build super-intelligent computers, which will then assimilate the data in our brains and allow us to “live” forever as virtual gods.


20 posted on 01/09/2009 9:20:51 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Coyoteman
The Creation Research Society is a professional organization of trained scientists...

Coyote, how can you say you are right when Creationists have "trained scientists," "scientific proof," Dr. Dino, and Jack Chick?

24 posted on 01/09/2009 10:46:21 PM PST by Inappropriate Laughter
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